Platt Holden (pholden@worldnet.att.net)
Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:22:46 +0100
Hi Doug,
Wow! Your response to my questions is so ingenius and insightful that it
bears repeating in full.
> Platt Holden wrote:
> >
> > Doug wrote (Jan 8),
> >
> > When I move to MoQland, I find my MoQlikeness puts things (static
> > patterns)
> > IN Value. In MoQland, we say that Value has things.
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > From a physics viewpoint, would you say that things (static patterns)
> > are
> > also IN energy? That energy has things?
> >
> Platt,
>
> Again, I am not a physicist, I just study it for fun. Thus there are
> many holes in my mental armor. Given that...
>
> Recently I mentioned VED on TLS. VED is Vacuum Energy Density. You may
> find ample information about VED by searching on the Casimir effect.
> Casimir was a Dutch physicist who was a student of Niels Bohr. Recent
> experiments show it is a valid effect.
>
> Note: a few of our more artistic TLS members have spoken of flux
> vis-a-vis DQ. VED is THE source of flux. Richard P. Feynman used this
> to invent the meme of virtual particles, a necessary precept of his QED
> or Quantum Electro Dynamics. Physicists now take this for granted as an
> indispensable part of their quantum tool box.
>
> My perspective of VED is that it fills VES or Vacuum Energy Space. Yes,
> VES surrounds us. Yes, Platt, we are in it! Yes, energy HAS things!
> It is a metaphor for DQ. (Does this help you see why I am so
> 'energetic' about the quantum world? It is, from what I can see so far,
> in nearly perfect duality with MoQ!!!)
>
> As I have (hopefully, subtly) also averred recently, VED/VES are further
> evidence of the multiverse as conjectured by Hugh Everett in the 1950s.
> To learn more, fast, about the multiverse, read David Deutsch's 'The
> Fabric of Reality.' Note: This book won the P.A.M. Dirac Prize. See
> my review of it at www.amazon.com.
>
> The estimated energy density of VES is extraordinary. It is
> approximately 10^93 grams per cubic centimeter. I have not run the
> comparative calculations, but that's a LOT of energy.
>
> One simple comparison: there are about 10^80 atoms in our local
> universe. An atom weighs (assuming an average 58 nucleons and
> neglecting electron mass) 10^-22 grams. I think we can run the entire
> Earth for a fairly long time on the energy in one cubic centimeter of
> VES. So when someone tells you there is an energy shortage...:)
>
> (Squad: I apologize for the SOM language above. Even quantum
> physicists still refer to macroworld things as 'particles.' As you will
> see below, there is an apropos alternate language. Again, as Bohr
> noted, we DO have a [SOM] language problem.)
>
> Doug Renselle.
> > If so, does it follow that Value (Quality) is energy, i.e., a moral
> > force?
> > Is there a connection?
> >
> Platt,
>
> >From my self-trained perspective, Platt, it is much more complex than
> that. It is probably still undefinable.
>
> In a way, what you say is very close to the right MoQ metaphoric
> interpretation of VED, but just as Pirsig discovered when he tried to
> define DQ -- there is more, much more.
>
> For TLS your conclusion is probably adequate.
>
> As we spend more time together, I hope as Bo does that physicists with a
> bent for MoQ will help us here. I want to contribute to better
> understanding and better models of the relationships twixt the two MoQs.
>
> I am working on the detail duals now. This work tells us there are an
> infinity of n-dimensional harmonic oscillators. When these become
> 'aware' of each other and interfere with one another we get something
> like a Quality Event (QE). Physicists call this (remember Zeillinger's
> article which Matt Workman pointed us to late last year?) the 'special
> event.' Depending on the frequencies of the oscillators the latch may
> or may not produce what we perceive in the macroworld as (ugh, I hate to
> use this Aristotelian term) 'substance.'
>
> If you allow your mind to see the harmonic oscillators as patterns, it
> is not too much of a stretch to see that what we call substance is
> latched static patterns of value (SPoVs).
>
> Regarding VED/VES as a moral force is easy for me, but for many I doubt
> that concept is even in the realm of possibility. Those folk mentally
> addled by the SOM-substance legacy disallow in their repertoires the
> possibility of substance awareness. As most of TLS may be aware, this
> issue is fundamental to MoQ.
>
> There, Platt, you have my conjecture.
>
What can I say? You've added a whole new dimension to the MoQ. Of course,
you did that early on, but it wasn't until now that I got it through my
thick head the full import of what you've been saying all along. Thanks for
hanging in there after all the initial buffeting you took.
I suspect the MoQ can also be expanded at the other end of the spectrum,
above the intellectual level. That's the area I'm working on, but whether I
can pull it off is still much in doubt.
In the meantime, thanks to you and others on this site, I feel we're really
starting to hum and headed for more breakthroughs like yours.
Again, many thanks for opening my eyes to a new realm of reality.
Platt
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