Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:13:25 +0100
Ciona,
Welcome to TLS! Glad to see another fresh screen on the net.
Is the front end of your message to us missing? See below.
I am really curious about your observations re: most of TLS being
classicists vs. romanticists. Could you say more about how you
distinguish the two classes of folk? E.g., topics, language, culture,
etc.
For me this is a real problem. In the USA, we are embedded in a SOM
culture with all the accoutrements and baggage. Personally, when I try
to talk with the MoQ language people drift away.
Notably the SOM language is simpler and faster. It is more efficient,
short term, than MoQ. But it is less accurate and tends toward
inconsistent generalizations.
Our TLS mates mostly use SOM language to discuss and describe MoQ. Do
you? Is this what you refer to as classicist? Anthony has attempted to
use MoQ-speak. I have tried it a few times, but others seem to ignore
it or be unaware of what we are attempting to do.
About the guidebook to ZMM -- I have that and consider it good. Lots of
anecdotal information from lots of resources. Also the early part on
Zen instruction and the phases is fun and allows a SOMite to make
comparisons to another world. I like to imagine that people in the
middle of the next millennium will easily move twixt a Zen-like focused
meditative behavior and an MoQ-like defocused gregarious behavior. One
without the other seems empty or incomplete. Also, the two states
appear to me complementary.
Ciona, as you have read, Diana, Maggie, Platt, et al., make frequent
attempts to pull TLS onto the romantic road via art, poetry, music,
etc. Perhaps it is time for the likes of me to shut up about physics
and the technical aspects of MoQ.
Let's try that for awhile. What MoQ aspects of art, etc., do you want
to talk about?
BTW, I say Leye-Lah.
Mtty, Ciona,
Doug Renselle.
- wrote:
>
> interest for some time now, although it seems like they've been
> tapering off recently. I suppose I'll have to take some of the blame,
> having played a completely passive role so far (although according to
> quantum theory there is no such thing as a non-participating observer,
> so it can't be too bad). Anyway, I'm going to use this lull in the
> mailing list to bring up a few of my own observations/concerns.
> They're
> nowhere near the level of thought that's been culminating recently,
> but
> maybe with the input of the rest of the squad hopefully they'll be
> able
> to develop somewhat.
> .
> Going back to ZMM, does anyone else think that there seems to be a
> predominance of classic rather than romantic thinkers on the Lila
> Squad? Most of the postings seem to be evolving in an extremely
> classical direction, and as a classicist myself, I would be interested
> in hearing from someone who had a more romantic perspective. I'm not
> sure if this is a result of romantic avoiding the internet, or the
> idea
> of the Lila Squad, or merely being reluctant to participate in the
> more
> recent threads.
> .
> I've found the threads on quantum theory and physics to be
> fascinating: right now I'm reading "The Dancing Wu Li Masters", which
> seems to relate nicely to what the sqaud has been discussing. I would
> like to pose the question of how art relates to MoQ, however.
> (Hopefully, this could raise a more romantic side of the list). What
> is
> the moral value of art? Would anyone be interested in pursuing this?
> .
> Lastly, I found a copy of "Guidebook to Zen and the Art of
> Motorcycle Mainenance" at the library recently. Has anyone else come
> into contact with this book? I've just started reading it, so I
> haven't
> had a chance to formulate much of an opinion on it, but it seems to be
> an interesting companion to ZMM. Unfortunately it was published before
> 'Lila' was, so it's definitely missing a substantial section of
> Pirsig's philosophy.
> .
> My apologies if any of these topics have been brought up before -
> I
> haven't been part of the list from the beginning. Thank you all for a
> wonderful association: the postings from this group have made checking
> my mail a far more interesting experience.
> .
> Ciona
> .
>
> p.s. 'Lila' - Do you say 'lee-la' or 'lie-la'?
>
-- "Socrates himself says it is an analogy...Everything is an analogy. But the dialecticians don't know that."By Robert M. Pirsig, in 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance,' pp. 351-2, Bantam (paperback), 28th edition, 1982.
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