glove (glove@indianvalley.com)
Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:17:55 +0100
hello all
Horse wrote:
DQ: Pre-intellectual transition from one state to another state.
SQ: Gradual decay of any system towards obscurity and
dissolution.
my comments:
you have really helped me see my mistake in my previous posts with your
explanation, Horse. thank you for taking your time to more fully
explain your position on MoQ. i, for one, like your 'minimalistic
approach'. i have arrived too late to see your previous postings on your
A AND NOT A viewpoint. could someone tell me, are there archives
available to the lila squad so that one can go back and re read previous
discussions?
anyway, i feel my mistake was (probably) in not exressing myself fully
enough or accurately enough for anyone to see what i am saying. please
allow me to expound a bit...
i offered 'precession vs. chaos' as a minimalistic expression of the
DQ/SQ split. let me explain a bit ...
precession is movement, or change, within chaos, while at the same time,
that chaos causes the dissolution of movement, giving rise to other
movements. and so when one looks at the statement 'precession vs. chaos'
it must be viewed from the point of precession arising from chaos rather
than two separate entities as in a SOM model...much like your A AND NOT
A viewpoint.
there seems to be some inherent momentum built into universe, more than
likely left over from the 'big bang'. as the planet earth revolves
around the sun, it precesses the sun at a ninety degreeness to it. if
not for this built-in precessionary momentum, the earth would fall into
the sun. but the earth also seems to be slowing down slightly over time.
it seems as the earths precessionary momentum is gradually leaking into
the chaos that composes it. this could be compared to the gradual
leaking away of a quality event as described by pirsig.
still-point is where all motion ceases. since there seems to be no
still-point in universe, it can be said that we live in a precessionary
universe. in a precessionary universe, all movements are at angles
other than 180 degrees, usually at 90 degrees, between relative points.
thus transitions from one point to another, DQ, usually occur at a 90
degreeness in relation to the previous system, SQ, making universe
probabilistic instead of completely deterministic as many of us would
like it to be.
because universe is essentially a chaotic system, we will never be able
to say with certainty what it is we are observing around us. with all
the random possibilities, the best we can do is say that something is
'likely' to happen, or to be, rather than it will happen, or it will be.
transitions of dynamic quality (DQ) must be an inherent part of the
dissolution of the previously existing system (SQ) being observed. and
the only reason anything makes sense to us at all is because of our
learned relational agreements we have formed with universe that certain
things are 'probably' real.
therefore, 'precession within chaos' would be a different way of
expressing what i wanted to express earlier with the statement
'precession vs. chaos'. dynamic precessionary chaotic ripples seem to be
emanating thru the underlying static chaos of universe, and therefore DQ
cannot exist without SQ or be considered separate from it...they are
only different manifestations of the same chaos made knowable by our
relational agreements.
these ripples in universe have been recently observed and confirmed
independently with the HST (hubble space telescope) and the COBE (cosmic
background explorer) satellite. these precessionary ripples seem
responsible for the 'clumpiness' of galaxies and may ultimately prove
responsible for the 'clumpiness' of matter-exotic matter itself.
glove
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