Nicholas Szekeres (nszekeres@hotmail.com)
Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:41:27 +0100
we humans are also part of the universe a possibility realized. the only
viewpoint we have is the human viewpoint if we allow those moments of DQ
to break thru our individual viewpoints. pirsigs morality has to take
into account all aspects of the universe not just the physical. i think
that ia what pirsig is saying that the universe is moral and when DQ
BREAKS thru our individual viewpoints we see the universe from it's
moral viewpoint. something better.
>Reply-To: lilasqd@hkg.com
>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:23:38 +0000
>From: clark <clark@netsites.net>
>To: Multiple recipients of <lilasqd@mail.hkg.com>
>Subject: LS Re: The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
>
>Lila Squad,
> Just finished reading through the 150 or so messages I found waiting
>for me when I got back from the other aspect of vacation and such a
>wholesale gulp has strengthened my impression that the problem we are
>having is that most of us are misinterpreting Pirsig. We are trying to
>interpret his "Good, Better, Morality, etc from the human viewpoint
>whereas I think these ideas should be viewed from the viewpoint of the
>physical universe. He does not use this term but I think a more
>descriptive phrase for Dynamic Quality would be "The force for greater
>information content".
> My entry for a definition of the DQ/SQ split would be:
>
>DQ = Possibility
>SQ = Realized possibility.
>
> As entropy marches on in the universe more termporary hang-ups
(Static
>Quality) occur in the progression toward randomness which increases the
>range of possibilities of Dynamic Quality which, in turn, increases the
>range of possibilities available to Static Quality all of which
>increases the "Fuzzification" of the process. What started as a purely
>deterministic process has become more and more non-deterministic due to
>complexity. We now have an effectively non-deterministic universe as
far
>as we humans are concerned.
> Pirsig's Morality was originally the Morality of the physical
>operation of the universe and is still so except that now Humanity has
>appeared and is attempting to define Morality in terms of perceived
>human needs and desires. This is,of course, impossible and has resulted
>in the "Many Truths" idea which states that Value and Morality are
>different for each human individual.
> Humanity, which has been around for some two or three million years
is
>attempting to claim possession of the universe and make the universe
>conform to our desires even though the universe has been around for
some
>fifteen billion years, was doing nicely before we came along and will
>continue to do nicely after we are gone or have morphed into something
>else.
> I think it is fun and exciting to view our situation in the universe
>in this way. I can just slope along and not have to worry about making
>the universe fit my expectations.
> Keith has written a good presentation which I mostly disagree with
but
>I think it provides a good platform for discussion.
> Trailering is a good way to travel, you can take all your stuff with
>you and feel like you are at home. Glad to be back, Ken Clark
>
>
>
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