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From: Lee Lawrence <LeeL@aspin.co.uk>
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Subject: LS: Slow reading
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:37:29 +0100
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Squadies,
[Diana]
"We want to focus on the chapters, we want to
get real intellectual discussion going, not just quoting and summarizing,
we want to get as many people involved and we want it to be a productive
and fun experience for all."
Amen to that.
"Wrt the requirement that members have read ZMM and LILA, having read
Andreas comments I not sure that it is necessary to have read both books in
their entirety after all."
The rules do say that members should have read ZAMM in its entirety, I
suppose
it would be difficult to follow LILA and the discussion if you hadn't, but
for
LILA only that the member should 'read the appropriate chapter of *Lila*
prior
to each discussion period' not that the poster should have read the entire
book
so much of your later discussion of the merits of having people who haven't
read the whole book doesn't conflict with the rules.
"As for forward referencing and quoting from the chapters, I think we first
need to clarify what the objective of the reading group is. If all we're
going to do is go through the text, quote it and summarize it then it seems
rather a bore to me. I would like to see the ideas raised in each chapter
discussed on their own merits. As I see it, there are two things we have to
do for each chapter:
Objective 1. discuss what themes/arguments are raised
Objective 2. evaluate those themes/arguments on their own merits"
Sure we need to discuss the points that arise as well as summarize but these
should be the questions and points that the author is thinking about not the
reader's prior thinking. The point of slow reading IMHO is not to close
down
all original thoughts of the reader but to suspend the readers response
until
they have actually truly understood the meaning of the author's words then
to
respond.
A good point in the 'over-ripe' breasts thing. Although the idea is to
'address
the content of the current chapter in every post' and 'not pursue topics
that do
not arise from the current chapter' I agree with Diana that for some points
it will
be necessary to cross-reference other sections of the book other than the
current
chapter. Perhaps the thing is not to become too bound up by the letter of
the rules
so much as to keep to the spirit of the thing; to keep the central focus on
the current
chapter and keep things accessible to the newbie.
I hadn't thought about the sexist thing. I suppose as a computer nerd I
need someone
to hit me over the head with the point before I see it. Still given the
context of
the scene, the morning after the night before, thinking about Lila's body
would
seem natural. In some respects it would seem less sexist for P. to
genuinely see
Lila's body than to relate to some male fantasy figure, see the person for
who they
are warts, over-ripe breasts and all. David gives an interesting slant on
the whole
thing.
[RICK]
I'd agree that sexism doesn't appear as a major theme in lila although Lila
herself
does spend some time thinking about men's attitude to women and their
failure to
understand them although women understand all about men (this appeals to my
suspicious
theory that the reason there are so few women philosophers is that they
figured it out
long ago and simply aren't telling!). This chapter deals with a sexual
relationship
between P. and Lila so talking about sexism doesn't seem so out of place.
[David]
Nice point about the autumnal imagery in chapter 1. Reading the chapter your
point
seems to hold together.
Other interesting posts but no time to comment.
Lee Lawrence
e-mail leel@aspin.co.uk
MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
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