Hello Roger, Mark and LS,
Roger writes:
"Nishida's distinction that your values define you tracks closely with
Pirsig's statement that you are a collection of patterns. And Mark makes it
clear in his Post that these patterns are not always congruent themselves.
Your body can want to flirt with the intern, while your mind tells you it is
folly. One pattern achieves its goal, the other is repressed. "
Mark writes:
>To sum this section up, I think that free will and determinism exist, but
>that they are simply yet another way of saying "more dynamic" and "less
>dynamic." In SOM, free will is just a way of saying that something "has the
>ability to choose" and it can only apply to subjects and man. In the MoQ,
>everything has this ability to choose to different degrees and on
>different, sometimes multiple, levels. This also means then that the more
>moral that an action is, the more that action shows free will as opposed to
>determinism, dynamic quality as opposed to static quality, and "higher"
>SPoVs as opposed to "lower" SPoVs.
Carmen: I don't know if this makes any sense, but while I have the two
quotes from Roger and Mark, something tell me that we all here at the LS
seem to think that a Dynamic choice is always a better choice than the
static choice. Free will and the most Dynamic choice is not always the best
course to take, if, in the process we are 'destroying a lower value
pattern'. The idea that if we 'ignore' the lower levels, the lower levels
will come and 'get us' is on my mind. The instant we choose the most Dynamic
option we 'know' if there are consequences. Sometimes that desire to
experience Dynamic Quality is stronger than anything else. That 'anything
else' is the lower value pattern. You tell yourself 'the hell with it, I am
going for that Dynamic experience. In other words, you forget the rta, (you
choose to forget) Duty, Ritual, Society (the lower level) . One chooses to
forget that the lower level will come and get you. You go ahead and flirtt
with the intern and go to the point of not return. You help yourself to all
that Dynamic Quality; even though it will destroy the more stable value
pattern ( your spouse or partner). Flirt all you want with that intern, but
if your partner finds out she/he will kick the part you sit with, all the
way from there to Brazil and back. And, he/she will be doing a Dynamic act
on you and with good reason. Because one have chosen to ignore the lower
level. Let's don't forget that the higher levels have a 'dependency' on the
lower level, according to the MoQ.
It is clear that the MoQ helps us understand why we make the choices we
make. Is that a big help? one might ask. I will say yes. Wouldn't you?
Let's take another simple example. Society (or stupid advertisement) tells
me that a woman looks better if she is 'Skinny'. But being skinny is not
very easy. So we mortals lust over fatty foods, especially that ICE CREAM.
[Blue bell, I miss you (a brand of Ice cream)]. You know that eating Ice
cream is the most Dynamic choice, it will be pure heaven. But, if you keep
that up, you social pattern value of the 'being slim' will trap you.
Anyway friends, I just came from a Wine Tasting Party. That might explain a
lot.
Ciao, and remember one thing:
Take that Dynamic choice, if and only, you are not destroying a static value
pattern. Otherwise, face the outcome.
Hasta pronto,
Carmen.
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