Horse (and Denis P.),
I always find it frustrating reading your posts *grin*. I often intuitively
disagree very strongly with what you are saying, but -- at the same time -- I
find you more knowledgeable and articulate. I want to respond to numerous
things you mentioned, but I think it would get confusing so I focus on one...
"when you're dead, you're dead - the end."
Why do you think it impossible -- at some point in the future -- to regain
consciousness? By consciousness I don't mean in the tradition sense (with
your past memories or personality in tact) but in a more pure sense:
consciousness of *something*. I ask this because it seems reasonable that
there be some logical explanation of consciousness. There must be some
reason why "I" am aware of "my" experiences and not of yours. If there be
an explanation, it seems reasonable that the conditions could reproduced and
probably will be reproduced eventually -- given time is infinite. Horse and
I may one day be twin siblings *laughing*.
Denis Poison said:
"we are nothing but the points of view by which the Universe
experience itself ! Thus, we are sacred in the most profound sense,
along with everything else in this universe."
I love this explanation except for the word "but"! What ARE these points?
Why am "I" at this point and "You" at that point! James called these points
"streams". Pain, pleasure, passion, boredom are not me. But the
*connection* of them into a "point of view" IS me. We are very REAL, my
friends!
To keep on topic "How does the "self" fit into the MOQ?" I say it doesn't!
I don't think you can define the "self" in terms of any particular
experiences. Intuitively, to define how experiences are connected, you have
be outside of them. With this in mind, perhaps it is *impossible* for us to
find the explanation. I am completely fine by that. The problem with the
MOQ is that it denies there could even *be* an explanation.
I realize this is extremely abstract (and complicated) thinking. If there is
any confusion by what I mean, please ask! If you can help me through this, I
would be extremely grateful.
Cheers,
ROB
MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
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