Rick, Roger, Matthew and all: Interesting conversation, here's two cents
worth...Rick said to Roger...
> RICK:
> Hmmm..."Sq and the four levels are high quality, logically consistent
> interpretations of DQ." Logically consistent interpretations...???
> Sounds
> like Intellectual patterns, no? Is this meant to say that all 4 levels
> are
> "merely" intellectual patterns--- Inorganic Patterns are really
> Intellectual
> Patterns, Bio patterns are Intellectual patterns, Socio patterns are
> Intellectual patterns and Intellectual patterns are Intellectual
> patterns???
> This seems confusing and extremely problematic (not to mention slightly
> solipsistic) I'm probably misunderstanding your model. Right?
>
[David Buchanan] Hate to be a buttinski, and Roger's probably still
sore, but I swear that I wrote this same paragraph to Roger over a year ago.
Nashida bailed him out of Solipsism jail once, but it seems a repeat
offender. Does the three-strikes rule count in philosophy?
Anyway, I think Matt said it best; "The creation of inorganic order
out of what we can call primordial order is not a victory over DQ at all.
It's the very first victory OF DQ."
Even the big bang stuff was helpful, eh? I was heard a physicist
describe the pre-big bang universe as an infinitely tiny spot of perfect
symmetry, and then that symmetry was tipped off balance - BANG! It all
started to unfold; time, space, matter and energy all emerged out of a
primordial singularity, the ultimate black hole. When asked what tipped that
perfect balance, with an Indian accent, he said "I don't know. God got
bored."
And on a real basic level I'd simply say that chaos just isn't the
same as DQ. DQ is like a perfect emptiness out of which all "things" emerge,
but chaos is just messy "things".
Thanks for your time. DMB
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