Roger, Struan, Platt, David B,
The issue of external reality still keeps us busy, and for good reasons too.
In the past there already have been good threads about it, among which the
idealism/realism thread of Roger, DLT and I. It cleared a lot up for me,
but never satisfied me completely. The main point of dissatisfaction was
exactly the point Struan made, namely the fact that "experience", if it
is primary or not, implies an experiencer.
One explanation is that "experience" is not restricted to a mind and that's
also in my line of thinking. But, even if we open our minds and think
of electrons having experiences as well, the fact remains that this
presupposes the electron as a static pattern of values that does the
experiencing.
This issue is being answered by Platt, Roger and David B. by regarding
"primary experience" as "an event that occurs before the senses are
activated". I hope everyone agrees with me that, though you can agree
with this or not, this AT LEAST draws questions about the terminology used.
Why call it "experience", for it is bound to be the source of much
confusion?
Why not call it "primary events" or just "events", because I don't even see
why the
"primary" most precede the words (or is it that "primary experience" is
before subject/object and "secondary experience" after?)
Anyway, even though I like the idea of the events 'being' Reality, this
still presupposes static patterns of value that are IN the event to
constitute
it. Can there be an event without static patterns?
Of course this is all logic and you can always tackle the use of that,
(like Platt did in his respons to Struan), though it doesn't satisfy me
much.
But I want to be sure. Does everyone think that the answer to the above
can only be found in leaving logic? Do we (like in Platt's quote) have
to embrace a different concept of 'understanding' from that or rational
explanation to progress beyond?
Dtchgtngs,
Walter
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