Various comments to Jonathan from Roger
Jonathan, as usual I have enjoyed your writing. Some questions/comments:
JONATHAN:
They say that actual "direct" experience
is the MAP we have been talking about, but not necessarily the TERRAIN.
We never experience see the terrain "directly" - it is always imaged
from a distance or surveyed through instruments. Furthermore, even the
most detailed map ignores the huge majority of bumps and details that
might be recorded!
I will repeat what I said in the "Maps & Metaphors" thread of long ago.
Reality is the map itself, not some "absolute" terrain. Reality is the
world of experiences that have been REALised and mapped. Rather than one
map, it is a series of joining maps. When we look carefully at the
joints, we may see contradictions, necessitating some corrections to be
made. This revision of the map is a revision of reality. Whereas we once
accepted the reality of the earth occupying the centre of the universe,
the reality of today is different.
ROGER:
Well said. I think I agree. I would add only that according to the MOQ,
this REALized and mapped reality is distinct from what Pirsig refers to as
"Dynamic Quality",which he calls "the base of reality." Would you agree?
In another post you said:
JONATHAN:
That's is paradoxical. Latching (static) is the antithesis of dynamic!
ROGER:
Ah yes, "but static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary stabilizing
force to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration." Would you agree?
Roger
PS -- Marco, do you want to continue the intellectual level discussion?
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