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From: Dan Glover <DGlover@centurytel.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: MD Re:MEMES
> Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> And I don 't think you should equate memes with patterns of value, though.
> Phaedrus writes:
>
> "If you construct an encyclopedia of four topics -- Inorganic,
> Biological, Social and Intellectual -- nothing is left out. No "thing,"
> that is. Only Dynamic Quality, which cannot be described in any
> encyclopedia, is absent." (Chap. 12, Lila)
>
> So if we do not equate memes with patterns of value, they must be
> Dynamic Quality? Yet we see Dynamic Quality cannot be described. So if
> memes aren't patterns of value and they aren't Dynamic Quality,
> according to the MOQ what are they?
Hi Dan,
First of all, sorry about the part about the saw, I didn 't know about your
knee, though !! If I had I would not have taken this as an exemple...
Dynamic Quality, hm, the ' working ' between those patterns/ topics...
Could the memes be than the units by which we could identify DQ !?
And DQ cannot be described because each, IMO meme has formed
its own niche in/ out all four topics...it would be to complicated to do so.
But, I think, the power of DQ as you wish, lies in the ' BETWEEN ' of
those patterns/ topics.
What exactly DQ is, can indeed not be descirbed but IMO, it can...what
Peter wrote, be identified by the way it reacts to those patterns/ topics.
That is, we can identify which memes are used...
Memes are not the pattern of value as such (they form those) and they
are not the DQ as such, but there are " memes " which in the way of
speech are the " motor " by which DQ drives_and that can be any-
thing you like. There is no such meme as to be identified as the One
which is DQ...
By the way, to make one thing clear, the word meme is used as to
identify one single aspect of a behavior and also for the whole pack of
behaviors needed to perform an action. It is quite difficult but it is up to
to reader to see in the context of the text what the writers meant...
That is why we use meme and memeplex
A meme, Killroy was here
A memeplex, all behaviors involved to write it on a wall
And why must we keep DQ concept free !? I don 't understand !
May DQ not be driven by some kind of biological/ evolutionary/...etc
motor...!?
That sounds like some God to me...
And Dan, I have to admit...you got me thinking...
Thanks
Many regards,
Kenneth
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