So, do Platt and Jonathan indeed agree with Marco that:
1)"It seems to me that an immediate seeking for DQ can't be aware, if we
use awareness in the classic meaning Roger has offered more than one
time: "cognizant, conscious, sensible, alive, awake, and having
knowledge of something". This is what Roger the CON has always tried
to say. But we PROs were probably pointing to something more wide..."(snip)
and,
2) "That's all: IMO the MOQ can work even without awareness."
Let me know and we can wrap this discussion up.
Rog
PS -- I suspect Elephant will bellow when he sees he has become an idealist.
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