Andrea, Stephen, Sam, and all,
Andrea wrote,
> so your point is: oppression does not exist; or in other words, blame on
the
> oppressed. Why aren't they fighting and dying for their freedom? They must
> really have no backbone.
My point is that to absolve the Nigerians for all responsibility for the
conditions of their lives is immoral. Macro's original post to which I was
responding, seemed to indicate that the Nigerians had no responsibility for
this condition and they do.
Andrea wrote:
> Also, if a government is corrupted, blame the people. Why aren't they
fighting against
> their government and dying for a better one?
No doubt, why aren't they fighting their government if it's as bad as
Marco's claims? If you won't fight for your Liberty, don't expect to keep
it.
Andrea wrote:
> You also seem to claim that if you state that a population is being
oppressed,
> you are a racist.
I think we should hold the Nigerians to the same standard as every other
people in the world. It seems rascist and condesending to me to give the
Nigerians some special status because they're Africans (although perhaps
this was not Marco's intent and I misinterpreted his statements). These
people might very well be victims but the way them to stop being victims is
for them to stand up and assert their rights.
Stephen wrote:
> Violence has on some level ensured that people with views like Wim's can
hold them, I
> grew up in a rough area and a non-violent response would not have helped
victims i had
> saved from worse beatings.I'm sure they respected me stepping in (DQ) and
stopping an
> attack physically than shaking my had at the futility of violence.
Arete! Honor to you for leading by example. If the state or individual is
acting not to assert preserve the social pattern of quality over the
biological one then they must be met with force. This is how the MoQ
differentiates being a thug and a dissident. I think this is made pretty
clear in Lila. Hopefully those people you saved were people putting up the
best defense they could. Better to die on your feet, than on your knees.
Sam wrote:
> The point being that violence begets violence; even if there arise
> situations that leave us no alternative but a violent response, those
> situations have come about because of poor judgement, mistakes or plain
evil
> intent earlier on in the process. The only way to make things better is to
> stop the cycle of violence escalating, and work towards reconciliation.
> Personally, I don't think the widespread presence of firearms helps in the
> endeavour.
A question; Do you think the state would have been correct in interviening
when the gang of people was trashing your friend? The mainstream media in
the US is curiously silent about the people who successfully defend their
homes and person with firearms. All the media does is popularzied the rare
wacko who shoots up a McDonalds or school. If you can't differentiate
between a group of criminals (biological vs. social) and disident college
professors (intellectual vs. social) maybe you should re-read Lila (Lila
Chapter 24).
419,
AreteLaugh
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