Greetings, Platt,
Could you say a bit more about your phrase, an 'evolutionary moral force'?
Anything like de Chardin, or his notion that human evolution is leading us
to 'God' or to be 'God-like', with or without the religious connotations or
language? Or is the force a self-created moral one?
Lawry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Platt Holden
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:50 AM
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD Overdoing the dynamic
>
>
> Hi Jonathan:
>
> Great to hear from you. You must really check in more often if for no
> other reason than to let us know you are not a victim of a Hamas
> suicide bomber. But of course the better reason is that you always
> have insigtful comments about the MOQ.
>
> > Finally, I have a comment to PLATT
>
> > >Here is my vote for the organizing forces of the four levels:
> > >
> > >Inorganic: Energy & Entropy
> > >Biological: Sex & Survival
> > >Social: Fame & Fortune
> > >Intellectual: Measurement & Number
> > >
> > >Conflicts between levels: The driving force of history.
> > >
> > >Penetrating all levels: The evolutionary moral force of Dynamic
> > >Quality.
> >
> > The organizing force for all levels is SURVIVAL. Patterns that do not
> > value their own survival, or are not part of a grander pattern that
> > values their survival . . . tend not to survive. The levels complicate
> > this simple truth. If you really want to understand patterns, you have
> > to understand WHY they survive. This is something to be considered when
> > discussing terrorism, capitalism, religion and even SOM.
>
> Previously in your post you wrote:
>
> " . . . a big mistake many Moqers tend to make is elevating the dynamic
> without sufficient attention to static restraints (latching)."
>
> Right. IMO, static latching is the survival force you rightly
> emphasize. I
> should have written:
>
> Penetrating all levels: the two evolutionary moral forces of Quality--
> 1)the Dynamic CREATIVE force and 2) the Static SURVIVAL force.
>
> Pirsig writes in Chap. 11:
>
> "The increase in versatility is directed toward Dynamic Quality. The
> increase in power to control hostile forces is directed toward static
> quality. Without Dynamic Quality the organism cannot grow. Without
> static quality the organism cannot last. Both are needed."
>
> I think survival rightly stays as the main force of the
> biological level
> because in our experience it is most apparent at that level. Obviously it
> affects all levels above it.
>
> Here's hoping you find time to post more often . . . and stay immunized
> from terrorism!
>
> Platt
>
>
>
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