Nice post, Angus.
I suggest to my students that we people 'language ourselves into the
future.' -- Now you've explained to me what I mean! "Injuctive practice"...
Thanks.
Lawry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Angus Guschwan
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:18 AM
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD How to know what to do?
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> Bad drama? Well I've been working on this long email
> to explain it but then I had this intuition: There's
> this guy Nehamas from U. Of Chicago who just won the
> McArthur I think, and anyway boom his book "Life as
> Literature" summarizes my "bad drama" in Nietzsche
> idea. I'm 15 years too late. Pshaw. It was written in
> 1985 so I'm getting closer to something original in
> terms of my own ideas. That's sort of my personal
> goal, my personal good drama. Anyway, to me, ALL of
> Nietzsche is [DQ] wink [/DQ}. "Life as literature" is
> another way of saying it. The book, "drama of the
> gifted child" by Alice Miller touches on it too.
>
> What is the idea? You "swerve" truth to fit your drama
> (that term is from Jonathon Lear, another uof c guy).
> You extract "essences" to FIT your drama. The MIND
> forms dramas in order to "extract" a sense of LOVE
> from the environment. Why? Because as MAMMALS we need
> love( a general theory of love, lewis,amini,etc.
> explains the science of this). And since the number of
> environments that we grow up in is INFINITE, the MIND
> uses ESSENCES as building blocks to create a sense of
> love. It's LOVELINE stuff: the abused child "creates"
> a drama where the parent becomes a hero whereas the
> normal child creates a drama to demonize his parents.
> Why? You need to control your environment to create
> meaning, and meaning is love. It becomes a "behavior"
> though as Wittgenstein would say in a Pirsigian way
> "I'm not a behaviorist because of DQ." Nietzsche shows
> how we are "EMBODIED" and through that we "conjure" up
> a drama from the elements of our "unconscious". To be
> embodied is to be mammalian and the mind fights
> against it OUT of its NEED for survival. Thus, we
> arrive at ANGST: an inability to reconcile the
> inherent contradiction of life.
>
> You could say it is EXISTENTIAL: we create [dq] "S
> scents" [/dq] out of the objects we interact with in
> order to "feed" our drama. Think of people as hungry
> hobgoblins who can magically transform any item into
> magic little pills that give us a burst of energy. We
> can OVERCOME this angst by becoming ubermensch,
> fighting daily to funnel this 'eternal return' into a
> becoming that is. It's basically learning
> "paraconsistent" logic: a logic of mind that allows
> for contradiction, a language that can have [dq] this
> [/dq].
>
> So what is your drama? That's my view on LILA: Pirsig
> talks about getting laid. That is his drama. Life as
> literature. What is the "paraconsistent" logic on
> LILA? She is good biology, bad socially, and great
> dynamically. Pirsig has a paraconsistent logic in his
> LILA. Salinger also did it too with his short story
> "teddy." That's why he stopped his "celebrity": he had
> to become who he was and a "celebrity" was not it.
> It's "either/or" as Kierkegaard might say. That's if
> you are to stop living in "bad faith" as sartre might
> say. You must "show" yourself. That's good drama, but
> most of us live bad drama. "Lives of quiet
> desperation" (please help on that quote).
>
> But [dq] the song remains the same [\dq]. How to know
> what to do? What is bad drama and what is good drama?
> Aye, there's the rub. Well, you have to be Hamlet.
> Start acting and stop thinking. "Look, don't think."
> And if it is all the "good" you will know. How to know
> what to do? Take care of the "good" in you and you'll
> know. But you have to overcome it everyday. The bad
> drama is always there. And you need an "injunctive"
> practice: to become who you are. That is the
> injunctive practice, not yoga. Not Wilber. [DQ] you
> are your injunctive practice.[\dq]
>
> Hope [dq] this [/dq] helps.
>
> Angus
> --- Elizaphanian <Elizaphanian@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Angus - I found this post of yours very intriguing.
> > Could you say a bit more
> > about Nietzche and bad drama, and perhaps point me
> > to where he discusses it?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Angus Guschwan" <arshilegorky@yahoo.com>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:01 PM
> > Subject: MD How to know what to do?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Wim,
> > >
> > > 'How can we know what we should do?'
> > > 'Seek meaning'
> > > There's a subtle distinction I need to make in
> > > equating 'seek meaning' with Dynamic Quality.
> > What's
> > > the problem? It's my opinion that when we think,
> > we
> > > use "pictures." A picture can be a freeze frame of
> > > events or just a memory. To think is to use logic,
> > and
> > > logic needs static objects to operate on. So, to
> > 'seek
> > > meaning' through 'thinking' means we have to use
> > > static objects. And there's a problem with that.
> > What
> > > is it? The pictures we create, the memories,
> > ALWAYS
> > > contain defects of some sort. So, when we DECIDE
> > what
> > > to do, we make the MISTAKE of basing it on
> > PICTURES
> > > and pictures are inaccurate. To 'seek meaning' in
> > this
> > > context is ERRANT. In ADDITION, PICTURES are
> > pliable,
> > > and a person can change the 'meaning' of the
> > pictures
> > > to conform to his own 'drama', his own meaning.
> > >
> > > I've made so many errors in my life based on
> > feeding
> > > the drama that I adopted to give my life meaning.
> > So
> > > I've worked hard to distinguish between when I am
> > > feeding my lie and when I am being authentic. So
> > how
> > > do I know what to do now? Well, if PICTURES are
> > > involved, then I usually don't trust it. I have
> > > learned to "hear" the dynamic voice in my body and
> > I
> > > have to learn to trust that. I sometimes fail and
> > I
> > > follow my old picture oriented drama. But WHEN I
> > do
> > > follow my dynamic voice, the results are
> > phenomenal.
> > >
> > > So I don't think you have to wait to find out if
> > you
> > > acted right. Here is an example: I had 2 events to
> > go
> > > to one night: one event was old friends who feed
> > my
> > > old lie and the other event was Jane Siberry
> > concert.
> > > I fought with the decision 'what to do?' I finally
> > > listened to my dynamic voice and went to the Jane
> > > Siberry concert. I was late, so the lady GAVE me a
> > $25
> > > ticket for free. That was proof right there that
> > it
> > > was the thing to do.
> > >
> > > So I think you have to be careful with SEEK
> > MEANING.
> > > There is that BAD DRAMA that we all have
> > (Nietzsche
> > > went into depth about this). Seeking meaning in
> > that
> > > drama is bad (or lower quality). But seeking
> > meaning
> > > in a dynamic drama of your life is good (or
> > better).
> > > How to know the voice? It's a struggle everyday to
> > > tune into it. So that's my reappraised answer.
> > Good
> > > question. Makes me think. And fight.
> > >
> > > Angus
> > >
> > > > I summarized my metaphysics 27/11 14:09 as:
> > > > "we experience (epistemology) quality (ontology)
> > and
> > > > seek Meaning
> > > > (meta-ethics)."
> > > > I summarized Pirsig's MoQ as: "we experience
> > quality
> > > > and only
> > > > history will show whether we chose to be a
> > savior or
> > > > a
> > > > degenerate. In other words: Pirsig's answer to
> > 'How
> > > > can we know
> > > > what we should do?' is 'You can't'."
> > >
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