Scott and All
You wrote (13 July):
When you say "intellect properly understood (by me:) is the value of
the observer/reality DIVIDE" I am understanding this -- correct me if
I'm wrong -- as, first, acknowledging DQ as that which creates the
divide, and, second, recognizing the value of -- in the common sense
of the term -- objectivity. We value the disinterested judgment over
the biased, and so forth.
Bo:
You are spot on!
Scott ctd...:
(However, I object to your characterization of the divide being
between "observer" and "reality",...see below).
Here's my understanding of SOLAQI:
Quality intellect is S/O intellect, that is, it shows itself as
q-intellect to the extent that the result is all and only about the
object -- no prejudices resulting from social influences, from
self-interest, etc. As a counter to this, one has the half-baked
post-modern objections, first, that there is no such thing as
perfectly unbiased intellect, and second, that the high value attached
to objectivity is itself a bias.
Bo:
OK objection sustained, but we must not start arguing from our "post-modern"
p.o.v. rather understand the terrific VALUE of this when it emerged from the
mythical past. Maybe the "observer/reality" is a late variant (Descartes) of
something that has had a long development, with Plato it was "ideas/shadows"
and with Aristotle "form/substance", the point is that this divide between what is
"imperishable and mere appearance" came into existenc more or less as Pirsig
describes it in ZAM and has been with us ever since.
Scott ctd...:
I think the first objection can be
dismissed by granting it, and saying we don't expect perfection, just
the best we can do.
Bo:
I see what you mean, but this post-modern objection is valid, it's Intellect
starting to become aware of the dynamic sea surrounding it. No use trying to
argue against that.
Scott ctd...:
On the second, I would say that it is beside the
point. WE (in the post-Enlightenment age) value unbiased thinking
within some situation. True, accepting that situation (like wanting to
cure disease through studying germs) is a cultural bias, but (a) it is
S/O thinking that allows for that possibility, and (b) once accepted,
one can WITHIN that subject area, try not to be biased.
Bo:
Excellent, but as with the first, no use. With tongue in the cheeck the MOQ can
be said to be a Metaphysics of Bias (bias and value can easily be interchanged)
but within its system Intellect is the value of "unbiasness" and as each level is
with the later development forever, intellect's S/O value can't be jettisoned. That
is if Intellect is seen in this limited sense and not as pure "ideas" where S/O is
one idea and the MOQ another. That makes for a dangerous development
because S/O is then seen as an inferior idea which is it NOT .....only the "M"
relay pin is taken over by the MOQ.
Scott ctd...:
However, SOM is a bias, and an example of that can be seen in your
phrase "observer/reality divide". Why is only one side "real"? To be
fair, in ordinary discourse, that use of the word "reality" is
legitimate, but if we are doing metaphysics, then you've loaded the
dice. The MoQ says that both observer and observed are two sides of
the Reality which is that which makes the division into subject and
object. And that is the intellectual level of static quality.
Bo:
Sure, all levels are biased, even the value level trying to transcend Intellect will
be biased, yet Intellect's value of an unloaded dice is now part of the higher
development and therefore Killerblade's argument of ...."everything a load of
bollock" don't count.
Scott ctd...:
(Is that a fair restatement of SOLAQI? If not, fill me in on what I've
missed. In any case, the following continues from the above.)
It's splendid, you made my day Scott. The rest of your message requires
another post.
Bo
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