Hi Davor,
Thanks for a good beginning!
May i make a few points....?
In a message dated 7/17/02 12:44:26 PM GMT Daylight Time,
elkeaapheefteen@hotmail.com writes:
> I do not know why you are interested in pop
> music, there is so much more in non-pop. I do not find the giant analogue
I should first explain that popular music studies concerns all popular music
from Folk music, Gilbert and Sullivan, Opera (Verdi wrote for and was
appreciated by people on the street; the genre may have been appropriated by
a pompous elite but that is snobbery), Blues, jazz, James last, underground,
indie, punk, blar blar.
If one examines the history and development of popular music the area becomes
fascinating.
The interplay between technology, politics, business, law and composers has
shaped who we are to an extent that would be ludicrous to ignore.
> very appealing in most cases, but when it comes to ''mass emotions'' such
> as in pop music, there is a great role for the giant, but why call this
> giant not simply repetitive social behaviour initiated by media and
> blindlessly taken over by today's youth?
Why not indeed?
If that is the nature of the Giant and the giant thrives by feeding on
people's emotional states then let's look into it?
Music is about quality as much if not more than anything else?
> About non-pop, there is so much philosophy in underground music, music that
> is real, i find much more consollation in hard-core and punk music than in
> pop but
> To give an example, the music of 'System of a down' is brilliant, so real,
> pure, and intellectual, the same goes for Bad Religion and some other
> groups. I can also enjoy classical music which is beyond words and I do not
>
> even know where to start describing Beethoven in MOQ terms, beyond
> words....beyond levels....Beethoven is Quality.
>
> davor
I agree with your analysis of value level interplay.
There is indeed a great deal of intellectual value in popular music's.
European classical tradition is high quality indeed - i am right with you on
that. We may be moving close in this area to the most sophisticated Human
mediation of DQ there has ever been?
>
>
> PS: Pop music mediated texts????? Don't think so, pop music is not
> text-dependent, in native english speaking countries the influence of text
> is greater then in non-english speaking countries....most people have no
> idea what songs actually mean. That is part of the popularity,
> think about it...just look at the text of a few pop groups and you will
> see,
> the texts make no sense at all.
>
Davor, in the field of semiotics the term, 'Text' means aural, visual,
sensual, written and spoken signs. That is what semiotics is all about, and
it is used in cultural analysis.
I feel semiotics will evolve into a tool of high power when memetics is given
a sound value centre? We may then have a proto value centred language with
which to describe the Giant?
All the best,
Squonk.
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