Bartz,
I am not completely following your argument. You seem to show
that you can change your perception of liking the event but
how do you take that to reality is whatever you like.
Your bus example seems to say more something more like
your perception of an event can be changed by your likes
but your perception can not change the reality of the event.
Imagine your foot is stuck in a grate you can't stop the bus
from hitting you even though you would like it to stop.
But like you said with a narrow miss somebody might be
experincing a pleasurable high and some an unpleasurable
anxiety. So in that way your point of view change the perception of the event
but your perception of the event can't change the reality of the event.
Is this just a subjective experience vs an objective experience?
erin
One cannot disbelieve the bus that is about to run
>over you out of existence. Someone else will enjoy the adrenaline rush as
>they wait in the street to see how close that bus will get before they make
>an acrobatic leap out of the way. The majority of people (who escape the
>collision) will be upset with their narrow miss. The few daredevils would
>be glowing afterwards with their excitement.
>Now, I read a wonderful book called 'Illusions' by the same guy who wrote
>Jonathan Livingston Seagull (i.e. I am blasted if I can remember his name
>at this moment)
>It has a sub-book called (loosely) the Messiah's Handbook. I won't go into
>too much detail, but this book is centered around reality being strictly
>based on your perceptions. Being already familiar with Pirsig's writings, I
>was able to digest this book readily. In truth, I think I will be digesting
>it for some time to come, much like we're doing with Pirsig. The point is,
>he used an extreme set of circumstances in a story to illustrate just this
>point; reality is whatever you like.
>Those who go around disbelieving concrete realities that are smack dab in
>their face are going to find a LOT of disappointment or find themselves in
>the cracker house. Phaedrus discovered that society will only tolerate so
>much independent thinking in the guise of making reality whatever you like.
>I keep using the phrase from above, even though Pirsig didn't.
>But I do believe that one does not HAVE to accept societal norms without
>first subjecting these norms to analytical thought. THAT is what I think is
>suggested by Pirsig. One cannot disbelieve the bus that is about to run
>over you out of existence. Someone else will enjoy the adrenaline rush as
>they wait in the street to see how close that bus will get before they make
>an acrobatic leap out of the way. The majority of people (who escape the
>collision) will be upset with their narrow miss. The few daredevils would
>be glowing afterwards with their excitement.
>So, if one wants to preface the phrase with an understanding like above,
>one could suggest that "reality is what you like"
>One more example that is more grounded in the real world. I am in inside
>sales for an international company. I stay rooted in my office but sell to
>and service a large geographic region via phone and email. Sometimes,
>merely to preserve sanity, I can actually accomplish a neat little trick.
>It is a truth that whenever you sell products and/or services, you are
>going to have customers who are dissatisfied with some aspect of their
>purchase. Dissatisfaction can grow from any number of sources, including
>customer ignorance. To take what would usually be a headache customer
>scenario and view it as an opportunity to improve the customer's situation
>can be a great way of avoiding a lot of stress and hassle. All I had to do
>was to change the reality of the situation.
>Sorry I got so long-winded.
>Bartz
>
>
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