Hi Maggie, and all
What I was doing was trying to bring together Pirsig's MOQ and Wilber's Integral Vision. Hence the title of the map: Integral Vision of Quality: IVQ
Every thing has 6 aspects or natures or perspectives. They can be listed as two continuums:
Internal--External
Individual--Collective
Static--Dynamic [This is from Pirsig, obviously]
You said: "except that the interior and exterior division is one of the most basic and primitive patterns of intellectual choice, resulting in the most fundamental social value judgments." Not sure I agree. Or at least not sure that I & Wilber were using the terms Internal--External in the manner in which you are speaking. These terms are not 'social value judgments'. They are point of view, vantage points by which all things can be studied. External means that the thing under consideration can be examined via the senses or augmented senses. Thus is has a publicly viewable presence. It is material. Internal refers to things that can only be studied by inquiring the thing to be studied, as in "How do you feel?' "What is your opinion?" These things under examination are not material but ideas, feelings, beliefs, theories, emotions, etc. It is the event as experienced by some object/subject. Internal experiences, etc. Theoretically speaking Interior and Exterior vantage points can be applied to all levels.
That was what I was trying to do with my map. Combine Pirsig and Wilber.
Gary
From: Maggie Hettinger
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: MD Heresy or insight?
On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 12:33 AM, Gary Jaron wrote:
Level I: INORGANIC: Individual--Collective & Interior--Exterior
Level II: ORGANIC: Individual--Collective & Interior--Exterior
Level III: SOCIAL: Human Collective: Interior--Exterior
Level IV: INDIVIDUAL: Human : Interior--Exterior
> Pirsig's Q-Intellect is now INDIVIDUAL Interior.
can't do anything with it
maggie
except that the interior and exterior division is one of the most basic and primitive patterns of intellectual choice, resulting in the most fundamental social value judgments, so you have listed elements of MoQ levels as seen from a fundamental social perspective. but i don't see the significance of your punctuation from one line to another.
IMO maybe
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