Hello Squonkstail, just a quick intrusion. Yours is a convincing
reasoning about art and science.
But taking a closer look at great scientists: isn't it really true that
you can still speak about juvenilia and the subsequent emerging of a new
voice?
In fact, juvenilia will not mean that the scientist repeats something
that was already said. Juvenilia will be results that are highly
influenced by the already settled scientific framework (e.g., minor or
not so minor results within an existing theory); hence, not so
revolutionary. And likewise for artists: a composer's juvenilia will be
*new* music that nevertheless reflects, in style, previous compositions.
A new voice emerges (both in science and art) when one breaks the
framework.
Also, you wouldn't call any scientist that discovers something new a
"new voice", just like not every painter or composer is really a "new
voice". A PhD student that provides a new proof for a minor theorem
embedded somewhere in this or that larger theory isn't really as much a
new voice as, say, Einstein. Likewise, a rock group that does, say, Led
Zeppelin covers, and now and then write their own song in Led Zeppelin's
style aren't a new voice.
I think the analogies between art and science are much deeper than one
expect them to be (especially due to the myth of science as "objective
truth"). In my life, I did scientific research for a while and I - kind
of - know. What you do experiment with, what you do write down in a
scientific paper, the words you use, etc., all of these are highly
influenced from aestethics - and aesthetics is tightly bound to
tradition. Truth is more like a *constraint* you are expected to respect
than the leading force of your scientific inquiry.
Andrea
SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com ha scritto:
> In a message dated 7/22/02 8:02:52 PM GMT Daylight Time,
> enoonan@kent.edu writes:
>
>
>
>> I am not aware of any department that encourages plagiarism at
>> least not over here in the shithole. I have just
>> as much respect for poetry as for the sciences.
>> But I do think I know what you mean. In psychology they
>> talk about the difference between crystalized and fluid
>> intelligence.
>> There is also a trend in fields like sciences the best work is done
>> early in the career and in fields like history the best work
>> is done later in the career.
>> The fluid intelligence is perhaps related to frontal lobe which is
>> the last to develop and the first to go.
>>
>> erin
>>
>> >
>> >> Squonk,
>> >>
>> >> This is excellent essay material, or a novella parody
>> >> - a la Pirsig.
>> >>
>> >> André
>> >>
>> >
>> >That's a good observation.
>> >Take a peak at the rhetoric of people who contribute to this forum
>> and see if
>> >you notice anything?
>> >You may notice one or two here aping a certain style to the point
>> of
>> >plagiarism?
>> >The funny thing is, plagiarism is encouraged in literary courses,
>> frowned
>> >upon in philosophy courses and deemed outright scandalous in
>> science.
>> >The science tutors' response is social admonition, the philosophy
>> tutors'
>> >response is a fail grade, and the literary tutors response is a
>> jolly well
>> >done.
>> >
>> >I am guilty as charged.
>> >Squonk.
>
> Hi there,
> All artists will tell you that in order to learn how to do art you
> first copy that which you like. This is considered juvenilia, and then
> you develop your own style.
> If one listens to all the early western classical music composers you
> can here the influences? Its only after the second or third symphony
> for example that the new voice emerges.
> You can't do that in science.
> You can recreate famous experiments and stuff, you can demonstrate
> acceleration due to gravity with a pendulum, etc. but if you claim as
> your own someone else's work it the kiss of death.
> This may because sciences deal with truth as an absolute and art deals
> with the good?
>
>
> Anyway, it is US culture i find distasteful and not its intellectual
> patterns.
> Creationism is more a cultural entity than science?
>
> Squonk.
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