From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Oct 19 2002 - 23:53:56 BST
Steve and all you bible-thumping, fire and brimstone preaching jesus freaks:
Steve quoted:
³What is ³the good news²? That true life, eternal life, has been found<it
is not something promised, it is already here, it is within you: as life
lived in love, in love without subtraction or exclusion, without distance.
Everyone is the child of God<Jesus definitely claims nothing for himself
alone<and as a child of God everyone is equal to everyone else.² Nietzche
Steve quoted:
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in
the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you,
'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is
within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be
known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father.
(Gospel of Thomas 3)
DMB says:
These quotes present some very key ideas. Notice that they both refer to the
divinity in us all. "As a child of God everyone is equal to everyone else"
and "you are children of the living father". This is the cosmic identity I
tried to talk about in my 4L+DQ=1 post. The fact that you presented these
quotes means we largely agree about this Jesus dude, but then there's
this....
Steve said:
In trying to find Biblical support for the Jesus movement as a conflict
between intellect and society, so often I am reminded of Jesus seeming to
sidestep social level questions for something completely different that few
could understand and I have trouble seeing as intellectual improvements on
social code.
DMB says:
I think the sense of divine equality expressed in the quote extends a
certain dignity and respect for every individual. And it seems like no
accident that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the rights we all
share equally, is said to have been endowed by the creator. Even on a mythic
and dramatic level, Jesus is a herald of the intellect, being tortured and
killed for nothing more than speaking his mind. He's Socrates on a stick.
That's the intellectual improvement on the social code. It speaks to freedom
of belief and conscience as well as the cruelty and injustice of society.
Thanks for your time,
DMB
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