From: Destination Quality (planetquality@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 25 2002 - 10:23:36 BST
To Platt and Sam
Sam you wrote, ehm you quote;
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:05:47 +0100:
'man is the measure of all things'
davor:
but what if man is not the measure of all things, but quality, what then?
Platt you wrote:
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:05:57 -0400
Finally, I'm not convinced that what people think about themselves is
the determining factor in level definition. But that aspect of your proposal
has yet to be settled in my mind.
Davor;
That is exactly what my problem is with the definition.
And further,
Platt wrote: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:09:24 –0400
When you defined the intellectual level as the level where one accepts
him or herself as a moral authority you were comparing that stance to
blind acceptance and "obedience to dogmas as in (most) religions." So
I was quick to agree. In other words, it is better to think and determine
for yourself what is moral rather than blindly accept whatever is currently
fashionable or supported by authority. Since all decisions are fundamentally
moral in the MOQ, surely it is better to make them yourself (and enjoy or
suffer the consequences) than have your next neighbor or (perish the
thought) a government bureaucrat decide for you.
davor:
>From a abstract moral MOQ perspective you could not be more right, but from
a pragmatic perspective, what now is happening all around me, I see people
are not ready for the responsibility. That is why I do not want to be a
moral authority anymore, I do not wish to be associated with this sort. I am
not a religious advocate or in favour of totalitarian regimes deciding for
the people how to judge. But it seems that the individual is less armoured
to defense against biological patterns, the social constraints protect the
social level from the biological as well as they protect themselves from the
intellectual level. What IMO is happening now the intpov cannot protect
itself(enough) from biological influences as they are no longer constrained
by the social mechanisms, this results in greed, hatred for the freedom of
others, indifference towards society, consumerism etc. It is the other side
of moral progression, that is why have my reservations towards the
Hallelujah Individual going on right here.
DEGENERATION>>>>DEGENARATION(f^%ck, Im turning into a conservative!)
Sam; you wrote:
Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:40:53 +0100
Yet democracy is all about
aggregating the choice of individuals, not the intellectual consensus
Davor:
I remember vaguely reading something about that but it’s fuzzy. Can you
explain what you actually mean by it? What do you see as the main difference
between intellectual consensus and aggregated choices of individuals?
Davor, who wants to go to church for the first time in his life
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