Hi Bo and LS:
Bo wrote:
> Perhaps all are different limbs of the MIND platypus, but
> first to this sentence: " .....Pirsig has already given us the idea
> that consciousness is value". Not to pick nits, but his idea is that
> EXPERIENCE is value. Consciousness and awareness are terms not found
> in LILA as far as I know. Experience is all there is at all levels,
> while the said terms have an unmistakenly "mind" load. I would say
> that consciousness is always SELF-CONSCIOUS and awareness always
> SELF-AWARE (a subject different from objective environment) so
> if my SOTAQI holds that is Intellect. And it's obvious; Q-intellect
> always holds up the worth of individual self (against the diffuse
> many of Q-society) and as intellect is our usual point of view;
> no wonder that personal worth and integrity ranks high.
>
> And yet, in spite of being the highest static value, Q-intellect is
> subordinate to Dynamic Quality, demonstrated in moments of
> ecstasy when self vanishes. Our great fear - losing ourselves -
> becomes the higest goal; a strange contradiction that has no
> explanation in SOM, but is the most natural thing in the MOQ
> (Dynamic Quality is identical to religious mysticism. LILA
> p.381)
Brilliant! You've explained away an MOQ platypus that has bothered me
for a long time. The intellectual level MUST divide self from non-self in
order to place high value on individual vs. society. How obvious! But, I
didn't see it until you parted the curtain. I've often used awareness as a
synonym for experience, not realizing it was so "mind loaded."
"Experience" also carries mind baggage but perhaps not so much. The
most neutral term I can think of is "event," but there's no verb form that
makes sense. You can't say, " I event raindrops on my head," although
you can experience them.
Bo, the more you explain the intellectual level, the more its true nature
becomes clear. Please continue to flesh out the meaning of SOTAQI
even though it takes a while for someone like me to "get it." I assure you
your patience will be rewarded in the end.
Platt
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