Donny wrote:
I'm still not sure if this is what Ken means by univeral Q.
however... but if you're taking "universal" to mean Absolute, not
relative, standing over-against nothing... then only pure (Dynamic)
Quality -- 'from thr point of view of the Buddha' (as RMP puts it) --
counts. Everything in the realm of sq is less than "universal."
Donny,
I still have not made myself clear. By Universal Quality I mean the
Quality that came into existence at the time of the origin of the universe.
Your statement, "Everything in the realm of sq is less than universal," is
not correct. Sq also came into existence as soon as the temperature dropped
enough to form the static atoms of hydrogen and helium and has been with us
since. The universe is built up of static atoms under the guidance of
Dynamic Quality. These atoms have been with us from the beginning. All is
universal. Our view of humanity being the be all and end all is an ego
driven mistake.
Donny wrote:
The same goes for Ken's whole Big Bang and the 15 billion years
between us and it... that's a PICTURE that we are generating/entertaining
in the here and now. That's how it really exists.
Donny,
By the terms of our understanding of Pirsig's DQ and SQ our universe and
biosphere are the result of a chain of events that stretch unbroken back to
the origin of the universe. Many of the same atoms that came into existence
at the beginning are still in there plugging. We can say that those events
are all in the past and really exist only in our memories but that would be
an incorrect way of looking at it. We could as well say that a bridge we
are crossing does not exist because it was built years ago and our minds
are merely generating the bridge. I say that the bridge, and the universe,
have concretely existed from their origins.
Existence = experience seems a pretty shakey platform upon which to base
our present foundation. In some cases existence = experience may be correct
but not in all cases. The BS is getting pretty deep on the Squad lately. I
have to wear hip boots when I approach my computer. Ken
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