XCTO SAYS BO- THIS STUFF IS DONNYS
In a message dated 12/8/98 1:57:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, skutvik@online.no
writes:
<< > Pirsig emphasizes the Greeks, but I think he's giving them too
> much credit. I think the Intelectual level is -- primarily -- the child
> of the Enlightenment philosophs (Voltare and Rousseau) and the
> philosopher/poloticians who put their ideas into effect (Jefferson,
> Franklin and Adams). Intellectual morality grew out of Western Europe and
> the collonies..........snip
> ....snip
> So, point #2 is: Intellectual value rhythms only arise among
> multiple persons (person = a social entity). Robinson Caruso on his
> island, building a hut and fire and snares to catch food... this is NOT an
> example of IntPoVs! Not only does IntPoVs not = mind, but it does not =
> reason/logic either. It must include this social ellement in it. My cat
> can emply reason/logic to a certain extent -- she can "figure something
> out."
Robinson Crusoe! My childhood hero not an example of IntPoVs?
Well, you may be right, but will perhaps agree with me
that he was the Enlightenment DREAM - the free-floating intellect
that would work regardless of ambient conditions.
> Now, before the spears start flying, I know that this is NOT
> exactly RMP's view. I've seen passages in LILA that clearly sugest IntPoVs
> are a kin to ego or mind or logic or your own picture of the world
> (contradicting my point #2) and toward the end of LILA he talks about
> non-Western IntPoVs, spicifically Native American IntPoVs (contradicting
> my point #1), and even says that "going mad" is nothing more than leaving
> Western IntPoVs for non-Western views (a "crazy person" is one w/
> unreasonable view who can't be persuaded to change those views no matter
> what kind of air-tite logic you argue w/). On the other hand, in a
> letter to Anthony, RMP *defined* the IntPoVs as the values of reason,
> clarity, comunicability and logical soundness (this would mean a crazy
> person has -no- IntPoVs) -- so, personaly, I don't think Pirsig is clear
> in his own head about this topic. >>
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