Re: MD Spider Stomping

From: Lithien (Lithien@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 1998 - 12:44:11 GMT


dear glove:

you wrote:

how does it tie into the notion of intellect also being a deconstruction?
and subsequently not a conscious act in itself either

lithien writes:

glove, i just started a new string called "the zombie within" in which i try
to explain exactly that. according to these very interesting articles, our
conscious minds are not aware of much that is going on behind our backs so
to speak. in fact, some of the new experiments clearly show that instead of
free will we only may have "free won't" meaning that our actions originate
unconsciously and that our conscious mind may only have the will to stop
them in a very short span of time. we can only stop the actions that
originate unconsciously.

isn't that wildly fascinating?

lithien

http://members.tripod.com/~lithien/Lila2.html

-----Original Message-----
From: glove <glove@indianvalley.com>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:43 AM
Subject: MD Spider Stomping

>lithien wrote:
>>
>>intuition connotes a more conscious response than instinct in my book.
let
>>me put it this way...intuition surfaces upon consciousness whereas intinct
>>does not. i would call intuition a hunch or presentiment that becomes
>>conscious but an instinct bypasses consciousness and its acted on reflex.
>
>Gene wrote:
>
>Based on that definition (see above), acting in Zen arts comes from
>intuition, IMO. In martial arts, for example, one starts with conscious
>observation, deconstruction, and copying of the motions. Only after
>countless repetitions they are internalized and it becomes possible for the
>person to act without thinking bypassing consciousness.
>
>Glove writes:
>
>apologies to Bodvar (whos finger is hovering over the delete key) but i
just
>couldnt stay away from this. Lithien and Gene seem to speak from an inner
>knowledge and i cannot help but be impressed with Genes analogy of
conscious
>observation, deconstruction and subsequent copying of motions in the
>practice of martial arts. remember there must be a constraining force in
>place as well, contained within the observation. what particularly
>fascinates me though is your reference to deconstruction.
>
>is the deconstruction a conscious act, in your opinion? and if it is not,
>how does it tie into the notion of intellect also being a deconstruction?
>and subsequently not a conscious act in itself either. its a wonderful post
>either way.
>
>well, i will keep this short and sweet so as not to upset the non-zennies
>among us.
>
>best wishes to all
>
>glove
>
>
>
>
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