dear kilian, you say:
In ZAMM, Pirsig says at one point, (I believe it was toward the end when he
gets into the events at the University of Chicago) declares that Phaedrus'
theories were important as they comprosed a bridge between Eastern and
Western thought. Now, I don't believe that this claim is necessarily
justified within the pages of ZAMM, but with LILA I believe he has suceeded.
The concept of Dynamic Quality seems to coincide with that part of zen
thought that contends that reality must be experienced.
lithien:
i definitely agree with you. i dont understand how the logic camp in the
squad can ignore this very important side of Pirsig's MOQ and pooh pooh it
as they do condescendly....as if that was enough to dismiss it.
kilian further says:
The concept of Dynamic Quality seems to coincide with that part of zen
thought that contends that reality must be experienced. Dynamic Quality
*must* be experienced! Our talking about or attempting to define it is not
realizing it or experiencing.
lithien:
that's it! that is what i have been trying to say all along.
kilian continues:
What the MOQ contends is that there is another portion of reality that can
be thought about -- the static level. And within that part, the intellect
is King.
lithien says:
yes, i agree with you there too. that is why it is worthy of discussion. i
also, agree that MOQ is superior or i wouldnt be part of the squad. but to
dismiss this other side of reality is to wear blinders.
thank you, killian for responding in a mature and generous manner,
Lithien
http://members.tripod.com/~lithien/Lila2.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Betlach@bc.edu <Betlach@bc.edu>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: MD Quality as Experience
>Hi Lithien
>
>In ZAMM, Pirsig says at one point, (I believe it was toward the end when he
gets into the events at the University of Chicago) declares that Phaedrus'
theories were important as they comprosed a bridge between Eastern and
Western thought. Now, I don't believe that this claim is necessarily
justified within the pages of ZAMM, but with LILA I believe he has suceeded.
The concept of Dynamic Quality seems to coincide with that part of zen
thought that contends that reality must be experienced. Dynamic Quality
*must* be experienced! Our talking about or attempting to define it is not
realizing it or experiencing. Where I personally, (and where Pirsig seems
to as well) is the further contention that the reality that cannot be
experienced is not actually reality. Experience society. Everyone try.
Experince matter, subatomic particles. I have a difficult time with this.
What the MOQ contends is that there is another portion of reality that can
be thought about -- the static lev!
>!
>el. And within that part, the
>intellect is King. Had Pirsig not made that distinction, he would have
failed to convince that his MOQ was a better map of reality than a SOM, or
anything else. I feel this *is* a bridge between Eastern (or at least zen)
thought and the Western mindset with its dependence on and reverence for
logical/intellectual thought.
>
>Personally, I think this is why the MOQ has so much value: because it
discusses or maps out, or what have you, the two (Fintan may appreciate the
symbolism of two) perhaps fundamental divisions of reality: that which we
can define and that which we cannot. The Dynamic and the Static. The
Intellect and the Experience.
>
>That was my two cents,
>
>Kilian
>
>(Hopefully the text will wrap via sending, although it is not doing so on
this foreign computer. IF not, my apologies)
>
>
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