MD tripping on the 1st step

From: Paul Nestadt (relish@home.com)
Date: Tue Dec 15 1998 - 01:15:27 GMT


hi.
though i have been fascinated by Pirsig's philosophy since i read ZMM 3
years ago, i have only joined (or even heard of) your electronic society
yesterday. So forgive me for lowering the average academic standard of
your group, but i still have a very basic question. Maybe its that im
only a high school student, or maybe im just dense, but i can't get past
one of Pirsig's first steps towards his realization. Everything else
makes sense to me, but... Why can't Quality just be subjective?
In his original dilemma in the middle of ZMM, where Pirsig decides that
since Q is niether Sub. or Obj. it must trancend such catagories, he
rejects Objective Quality easily (it cannot be measured by scientific
instruments["Locke's statement that no object, scientific or otherwise,
is knowable except in terms of its qualities."], and anyway, if Q was
Obj. evryone would agree on it's presence in each object) but the only
reason he said that it couldn't be Subjective was because "if Quality is
subjective, existing only in the observer, then this Quality that you
make so much of is just a fancy name for whatever you like."
So who is he to say that that's NOT all Q is. Maybe that's why it's
undefinable, because it's whatever the hell you like. I really want to
believe that Q is not just Subjective, that it's an event, that it is
the life and the Taoist "Way", but i just can't see Why Quality Isn't
Just Subjective!
Please help me, this book meant a lot to me when i read it, and it was
only upon the second read that i noticed this possible flaw (at least to
my understanding) that was keeping me from fully appreciating LILA. If
you set me straight i would be forever in your debt.

Also, while im writing anyway, i might as well thank you all for the
brilliant companion to the MoQ that your website provides. It seems to
really give the philosophy a new dimension. When i see a mention of,
say, Hume, whom id heard of and read indirect commentaries on, but never
actually read up front... i go straight out to the library and read his
works. At least a good sampling. This, i feel is the best way to go
about philosophy. i guess you raise us children well.

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