Hi Jonathan
You wrote:
> JONATHAN
> >> By this logic, the Holocaust was moral! Sorry Magnus, I reject that
> >> outright.
> >
>
> MAGNUS
> >Hold your horses! Who said the Jewish people was another race?
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> What difference does it make? What's going on with you Magnus!
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The difference is that Homo Sapiens killed the other race, (not
necessarily the Neanderthals though, more probably the missing link),
because they inhibited Homo Sapiens' dynamic advances by being
biological competitors. They sacrificed biological DQ to gain
intellectual DQ which was moral.
The Nazis on the other hand were trying to inhibit both biological
and intellectual DQ with the Holocaust.
Now, to the meta discussion:
Jonathan, I understand that you have a very personal relation to
the Holocaust. It was such a horrible event that it alone is
enough as a foundation for a new metaphysics, and who am I to argue
with that? My reason to discuss metaphysics is just to find one that
makes sense out of the world as I perceive it. Preventing another
Holocaust seems much nobler compared to my reason.
If you think that makes me a bad person then by all means, never
speak a word to me again. I hope we will talk again if it makes
a difference.
> >Not quite, DQ may cause immoral events. But since the alternative
> >is a static and degenerate world, it's more moral with DQ than
> >without. I'd say the Holocaust was such an event.
>
> Phew. Finally I see that Magnus does recognise that the Holocaust was
> immoral. I'm still worried though - I think we should change the world
> so that another Holocaust is impossible.
> Magnus appears to disagree.
Sure, it's probably possible. But the price would be our dreams. To prevent
all bad changes also means to prevent all good changes. I don't think it's
worth it. Maybe your dream is a paradise like Utopia, lasting forever and
everyone is happy by design, no DQ, no free will. That's not my dream.
> Please explain what other IntPoVs there are. Do you mean meditation
> etc.?
No, I mean the plot of a book, the contents of this post, an arrow made
of sticks on a forest path to show the way, the MoQ, ...
> >I disagree. That's not the Quality idea. Morality, reality and Quality
> >were around long before man entered the stage, and will be around long
> >after we're gone.
>
> We never did have that monthly topic about time.
> I would suggest that time itself is a pattern perceived by Man.
> In this context, Magnus's statement doesn't mean much.
Quite right, let me rephrase that. Man is a product of morality, not
the other way around.
> Magnus, I think we have very different ideas of what constitutes
> reality.
Yes we have, but that discussion belongs in the 3 vs. 4 level thread.
Magnus
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