dear david, you say:
The train is full of
symbolic intellectual patterns, but is guided and pulled along by our
preintellectual awareness. This mysterious awareness seems willing to
help us on the journey. It guides our map making.
lithien:
i agree with you, david. there is a part of us that guides the train
without our conscious knowledge. and it does seem willing to help us on the
journey.
~*~all paths lead to the inevitable conclusion that logic fails
miserably when confronted with the mystery of existence~*~
http://members.tripod.com/~lithien/Lila2.html
-----Original Message-----
From: David Buchanan <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
To: 'moq_discuss@moq.org' <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 5:32 AM
Subject: MD brains minds and intellectual patterns
>NEW GUY TRYING TO HELP REFOCUS THE GROUP:
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>It's just such a huge topic!
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>Let me focus on the "intellectual patterns" part of the question.
>I think it's at the heart of Pirsig's new metaphysics.
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>Remember the moving image he used to describe "the train of symbolic
>consciousness"? ( ZAMM P. 254-255. ) That train is loaded with
>intellectual patterns. All kinds of patterns are in there. Old
>ideologies and philosophies are in back near the caboose. And the
>train's leading edge represents the most recently developed intellectual
>patterns. The best ideas are being born at the front of the train as it
>moves along, so to speak.
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>Ordinary consciousness is like that train, loaded with intellectual
>patterns, filled with symbolic maps of experience. Literally, any thing
>you can "think of" is an intellectual pattern. To concieve a thing is to
>make a map of it. Language itself is a symbolic activity.
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>Seems to me Pirsig is saying that we automatically, habitually and
>immediately make maps of everything that happens and have come to
>believe the map is the road.
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>He's saying we have a non-symbolic consciousness, an awareness without
>intellectual patterns. And ironiclly, we can learn about our
>non-symbolic awareness through symbolic conciousness. We've learned to
>express the inexpressable with our symbols. The map does make the
>journey easier. And if you're ever really out there on the road, you can
>always make a better map.
>
>AND AND AND here's the mystical and radical part. The train is full of
>symbolic intellectual patterns, but is guided and pulled along by our
>preintellectual awareness. This mysterious awareness seems willing to
>help us on the journey. It guides our map making.
>
>David b.
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