Brains, minds and intellectual patterns……. How are these related to each
other and to society? What defines and distinguishes an intellectual
pattern and
gives it its lofty perch atop the static patterns of value?
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To break this down some, how about a summary of the definition of an IntPov?
WHAT DEFINES AND DISTINGUISHES AN INTELLECTUAL PATTERN?
-OR- What is the intellectual level?
Xacto took the plunge by stating that Intellectual Patterns are our theories
or principles. Bodvar emphasized impartiality, abstraction, and the ability
to discriminate - particularly between subjective and objective experience,
and also told us what it is not; namely the ability to think or awakening to
consciousness.
Platt viewed intellect as a pattern-recognizing, pattern-creating force and
emphasized the individuality of its nature, while Donny said IntPoVs are a
means of communication requiring society to exist. Donny also emphasized
that IntPoVs are not logic or 'mind', in fact, are not anything without
society. Glove explained intellect as awareness of Quality in our
environment and logic as a way for society to agree on what constitutes
reality. Diana said it's just liking and disliking, just like in the other
levels.
Keith continued the society theme by stating that Intellect is a type of
constraint on society; the constraint that allows the free emergence of new
ideas. In his view, it is a way of thinking transmitted by culture wherein
empiricism - or experience - is the sole judge of the worth of a thought.
He also stressed that 'thinking' is not the same as intellect. Magnus
viewed all thoughts as IntPoVs thus seemingly putting himself in opposition
with the views of Bodvar, Mary, and perhaps others.
REFERENCES:
Xacto 12/2/98:
>The definition of Intellectual Patterns should be the pattern created by
>intellectual pursuit, namely theories or PRINCIPLE
>...
>I use the idea that the first principles were
>choosing, organizing, and creating rituals and processes of passing on the
>best of the Social patterns.
>...But with the MOQ I think that divorce between
>what we think about on social issues and how we reason in the scientific
>village and how we talk when we argue philosophical and moral issues
>disappears and we are finally on the chessboard
Bodvar 12/2/98:
>Growing impartiality...power of abstraction...new consciousness. That
>is the Intellectual Level (I would have liked to add: ..the ability
>to discriminate between what is objective and what is subjective).
>Nowhere does Pirsig speak about "ability to think" or "waking to
>consciousness/awareness" or anything like that.
>...
>Intellect is thinking, but along certain (what did Glove call it?)
>[credos]. very different from social [credos], which in turn is
>different from biological [credos].
Platt 12/3/98:
>intellect (mind) is a pattern-recognizing,
>pattern-creating force that employs the medium of language, numbers
>and symbols to carry out its purpose which is basically to relate
>perceptions into patterns of meaning so one can act to enhance life.
>...
>In the MoQ a high quality intellectual pattern is one that establishes
truth
>based on "logical consistency, agreement with experience and economy
>of explanation."
Donny 12/4/98:
>I emphasize that IntPoVs are a *means of communication*.
>...
>..."You'll get
>a lot farther if you stop thinking about science as a window into the mind
>of God, and think of it as, primarily, a way in which we talk to one
>another."
>...
>So, point #2 is: Intellectual value rhythms only arise among
>multiple persons (person = a social entity). Robinson Caruso on his
>island, building a hut and fire and snares to catch food... this is NOT an
>example of IntPoVs! Not only does IntPoVs not = mind, but it does not =
>reason/logic either. It must include this social element in it.
Glove 12/5/98:
>in my opinion, Mind is the same as awareness. Mind is not just thought
>patterns, but rather the Quality Event between our "self" and the
>environment around us.
>... logic is not a search for truth but for way to agree on what
>reality is socially.
Bodvar 12/6/98:
"Mind" does not stem from the brain, but from society!!!!!!!
>...
>Finally: Why a gang planning action in the future isn't Q-Intellect
is because "thinking" is not automatically conveying Intellectual
values, but just as easily social ones,
Diana 12/6/98:
> It's just liking and disliking the same as the other levels.
Platt 12/7/98:
>That is what constitutes the intellectual level--millions of individual,
>one-of-
>a-kind idea generating minds. That is what raises it above the social
level.
>The social level never had a thought of its own.
>...
>Of course, within the intellectual level is a spectrum of quality just as
>in the other levels. Some thoughts are low, others medium, a few high.
>XCTO ABSOLUTELY AGREES WITH PLATTS POST
Keith 12/8/98:
>. Intellect is a type of constraint on society. It is the
>constraint that allows the free emergence of new ideas.
>...
>thinking does not equate with intellect.
>Intellect is a culturally transmitted *pattern of thoughts* that allows for
the >creation of new thoughts.
>Empiricism, or the idea that experience (not society) is
>the sole judge of the worth of a thought, is the very essence of intellect.
Magnus 12/9/98:
> Several people previously argued the point that thoughts are not
> necessarily IntPoV, and would say:-
> Thoughts about molecules are InPoV
>No, they're IntPoVs.
> Thoughts about organisms are BioPoV
>No, they're IntPoVs.
> Thoughts about ???? are IntPoV
>You guessed right, thoughts about intellect are also IntPoVs.
>And there's nothing absurd about it at all, intellectual
>patterns are recursive and can represent any kind of pattern,
>including themselves.
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Mary
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