FOR STRUAN AND ROGER PRIMARILY. MAGGIE, PLATT AND LITHIEN MENTIONED.
Roger Parker quoted my:
>> But PLATT's latest input poses a new riddle: the MOQ is based
>> upon the axiom that there is nothing BUT value which necessitates
>> the opposite: low value, so to say that evil is relative is
>> plainly wrong.
and continued:
> If you follow Platt, Struan and my thot processes through this
> thread, I think you will see I have similar perspectives on the
> necessities of dualism within the intellectual level. But why does
> it follow that "evil is relative is plainly wrong"?
> Am I missing something?"
Hi Rog
Er...no. Platt's pointing to morals being the basis of the MOQ
caught me off balance. Proving that there is no such thing as evil
seems to prove that there is no Quality. My own answer - that evil is
Intellect looking down upon evolution - looks credible enough, but
what about the total Q-picture? Is there no good-bad in this sense?
It took me some time to ponder that and my answer does perhaps
look embarrassingly elementar. It is what the Dynamic-Static split
is all about: the static diversity is inherently bad compared to the
dynamic wholeness. But then why is the static "migration" bad,
after all it's supposed to be towards DQ ? I see no weakness in the
MOQ, but this is perhaps the border surrounding the new metaphysics;
much larger than SOM's, but still a limit. Do you have any "thots"?
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Struan Hellier wrote on Wed, 20 Jan 1999 :
> The opposite of value is obviously NO value and certainly not LOW
> value as Bo claims. Bo has unthinkingly conceded the position
> completely, unless he can claim that a little bit of white is the
> opposite of white, but of course he can't. I think this answers
> Rogers subsequent query about missing something. What you are
> missing Roger is that Bo 'intuits' that my motives here are suspect
> and so feels compelled to refute anything I say on principle,
> regardless of its veracity. It isn't lack of thought, its just that
> he 'smells' danger here and can't quite pin it down - now where have
> I heard that before?
Hi Struan
I should have apologized for my "incoherent" attack on your
coherent materialism, but you retorted properly so I guess that's
settled. You are such a formidable debater that one must be careful
not to be drawn into the vortex of your reasoning, at times I suspect
you of entering the debate for arguments sake....of being a
sophist, but they were Pirsig's favourites! Phaedrus of ZMM's
perhaps?
"No value the opposite of value"? Well, it can be debated. I
don't invest much prestige in that point. If one says: "You no-good
....' or "You bad ....." don't differ much; the former even sounds
worse!.
I join Lithien in his defence for Maggie's interpretation of the
West vs Islam conflict. How you can find that "offensive and
stunningly bigoted" is more than I can fathom. One thing is that
Maggie merely was paraphrasing Pirsig, another that the MOQ view is
so obviously true and gives the Islam vs West conflict the venerated
coherency for the first time. A welcome change from Islamic
satan-calling or the Western haughty accusations. It's embarrassingly
plain that the Semitic religions are guardians of social order
against biological licence. True, they become modified by other
cultural factors so that the Talibans of Afghanistan are different
from the Muhammadans of Indonesia, but the emphasis on the
individual's duty to observe the Scripture's lifestyle rules is
plain. Their "sin" is much about that while that of the more
Intellect-influenced Protestant Christianity is more abstract. Your
defense of the Islamic intellectual legacy is valid, but a particular
society may well be social-centered even if it harbours an
intellectual elite. The Q-Intellect is not mental activity - as such.
Bodvar
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