Glove and Bo and Magnus,
Referring to Glove's msg of 1 29 99 at about 7:19 PM.
There is a lot of obfuscation going on that needs to be cleared up
somehow. Magnus is saying that two value patterns engaged in a Quality
event constitutes observation. I agree with him.
Glove is puzzled because he interprets observation to be "human"
observation. He is also correct if we take the narrow view that the MoQ
only applies to humanity.
I think these misunderstandings can be cleared up if we look at the
universe as being sort of like a biological syncytium-a quivering mass of
energy and life permeated by Quality and Value in continual operation. In
this view all happenings in the universe wold be observation and all would
be "moral" at the non-sentient level. All would be connected, however
tenuously and all would be "aware" in the Quality sense.
We can also clear up the same obfuscation if we agree to look at Quality
as being divided between non-sentient quality and sentient (human) Quality.
I prefer this approach because it helps when we attack such questions as
evil and such. This is so because when we reach the level of sentience we
inject a factor into the universe which is entirely new and has never
existed before. With sentience we have become capable of altering the
normal flow of Quality and entropy (the time line) of the universe. We can
no longer talk about all aspects of the universe without qualifying our
statements. Look at the difference between Magnus' "observation and Gloves
observation.
I don't know how the "tree falling in the forest discussion came out but
it would certainly be "observed" but it would not be heard unless a
functioning animal ear were close. It would not be cut up for firewood
unless a "sentient" human observed it.
Ken Clark
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