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>From: "Fintan Dunne" <findunne@iol.ie>
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>Subject: MD One flew over the Lila Squad
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Dear Fintan,
You wrote:
>FINTAN COMPARES THIS SQUAD TO GROUP THERAPY UNDER
>NURSE RATCHED IN ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOOS NEST.
A most apt comparison, and one that Lithian, another one that flew over
the cuckoos nest, had made. However, please remember what that indian
did before flying, which was to put his friend, out of his lobotomized
misery, and preserve his Dignity. Perhaps you should not leave, just
yet, as there is unfinished business? LOL!
Best regards Fintan, and please stay in touch!
Paul.
>
>BODVAR WROTE>
>FINTAN, Remember the part in LILA where P. says that, like Biology,
>Intellect also has an "immune system"; namely psychiatry whose job is
to
>rectify the heretics wrong ideas? If one person of the LS were to
appreciate
>Pirsig's ideas on this topic, I would bet on you. Not that I consider
you
>"mad" - you are the sanest around - but dynamic enough to see radical
>departure from SOM's impossible "illness" model. So, I am very much
looking
>forward to opening a discussion on this most controversial topic
----some
>day.
>
>THEN THIS IS YOUR LUCKY DAY BODVAR, OR IS IT ?
>
>NURSE RATCHED WAS THE SENIOR WARD SISTER IN THE MOVIE "ONE FLEW OVER
THE
>CUCKOO'S NEST" Starring: Jack Nicholson, Danny DeVito, and Christopher
>Lloyd among others. The movie examined how Nurse Ratched- while
masquerading
>under the best practice psychiatric model, was actually a control freak
for
>whom the illness of patients was a lever of power over them. Her
favourite
>mechanism was having "democratic" votes by the
>patients- the outcome being rigged because most of them were docile and
>under her control. Jack Nicholson played McMurphy, an exuberant misfit
who
>paid for his attempts to motivate her victims out of their passivity,
by
>being given a frontal lobotomy.
>
>A microcosm of western "democratic" society, in other words.
>
>Recalling that Robert Pirsig himself ended up in a mental hospital and
spoke
>in ZAMM about the "lies" you had to tell to get out of there, it is
well
>worth continuing to examine this. I will continue to do so. I you don't
want
>to read this then simply go on to another message. But I warn you, I
tell it
>like it is.
>
>Hi Nurse Ratched,
>
>So, can we take a vote on the ward please Nurse Ratched. I vote the
topic
>should be that we watch we watch the world series on the TV. My name
being
>Randall P. McMurphy. The disruptive influence who has recently been
admitted
>to the group/hospital.
>
>Now, Nurse, I know that many of the patients here are under your
control.
>What is the game you play in organising this discussion group? The
closed
>minds will happily play your little discussion/group therapy game
Nurse,
>FOREVER. 'Cos they don't have the balls to do otherwise. They settle
for
>intellectual masturbation and so play the role of PROPS in Nurses'
little
>game.
>
>The open-minded MOQ thinkers are artists, explorers, originators.
>Hat's off to them, I say. THE FREE.
>Many of them have left.
>
>Guess how I vote, for next month.
>
>I vote to do what the Indian did in the film "One flew over the cuckoos
>nest." After seeing McMurphy lobotomised, he tossed a huge water
fountain
>through a steel shuttered window and jumped through the resulting hole
to
>freedom. He left Nurse Ratched's domain forever.
>
>As I an now leaving your domain forever too Nurse.
>
>Here's why. The game is rigged. I don't like rigged games, Diana. There
are
>too many closed minds here for real discussion. There is a real life
outside
>this round and round discussion. There are even real ideas on the MOQ-
but
>they are not here. Gotta have the balls to walk away. Oh ! people get
so so
>so dependant on the Squad don't they, so dependant on some joker called
>Pirsig.
>
>Like patients in a mental institution who get so so so dependant on the
>institutional lifestyle. It's routine and rhythm. It's monthly votes
and
>topics. And they are so afraid to walk away. I'm not. Maybe because I
had
>the originality to develop a new idea like the MoM concept. Y'see
that's
>what makes the difference in this life between those who run with the
mob
>and those who change things. Yes, truth is difficult in such a
structure
>where the ground-rules are being set by a clique.
>
>The Squad has been haemorrhaging members for over 9 months. The number
of
>former contributors who are no longer heard from is vast. Like Robinson
>Crusoe, the intellectuals actually FEAR socialisation. And the
discussion
>fails Pirsig's own test: there is no actual philosophy here. Only mime.
>
>In the late fifties in the USA, in a society dedicated to consumption,
a
>pampered generation ended up totally rejecting the materialism of their
>elders. This was the source of the Classic / Romantic split
investigated by
>Pirsig in ZAMM. The wheel turns and we are now back again at a similar
>point in global society. Everywhere we see blind Scientific Materialism
and
>a production/consumption ethos.
>
>The inner is about to meet the outer.
>
>Those who have walled themselves into a moderated INNER discussion
cannot
>escape the Outer, for it will pursue them wherever they go. That is the
>psychological reality of what is happening in each person's life at
this
>time.
>
>So, to the open-minded, may I say thank you very much. I couldn't have
done
>it without you. Email me with your ideas. I love the way your brains
work.
>
>And can I say, as did Douglas Adams in his book title about
>the words spoken by the dolphins as they left the planet earth:
>
>"So long......and thanks for all the fish ! "
>
>love
>
>Fintan
>
>
>
>
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