Hi, Roger, drose, MDers --
Thanks for joining in the discussion, guys!
Roger wrote . . .
> (JEFF) Recall earlier in LILA, where RMP talks about Zen tea ceremonies?
> ........ When the intellectual PoV's are put to sleep then the Dynamic
> Quality can shine through.>>>>>>>
>
> (ROGER) Uh oh, not the dreaded intellect vs zen thread! Don't let Rob read
> this. Seriously though,why the focus on one level? Especially the most
> dynamic most free level. Have you guys ever read anthropological studies on
> chimps.... how they cheat, trick, form alliances, betray each other, kill the
> defenseless chimps, attack other tribes....in other words act as bad as our
> worst nightmares. Is the social level where we want to retreat? I think not.
>
> How about the biological level and rape, eat and be eaten, get sick, die.
> Yeah lets take solace here.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting the intellect is the Holy Grail
> (though if you think about it , it might have been). I am suggesting that the
> key is not to drop one level, it is to free yourself from all static patterns.
>
Absolutely. Just to be clear, I was not so much bothered by RMP's
focus on the intellectual, as I think Horse was; I was responding to his
concern.
Sorry about re-opening old cans of worms!
> (ROGER) I agree with the formless part, but would state that IT IS PERCEPTION.
> Direct experience or Radical Empiricism is the base of reality. Reality is the
> abstraction, not the other way around.
>
Right. Thanks for the clarification. I didn't catch the implication in
what I wrote.
And drose wrote . . .
> I'm going to have to post on the LS sooner or later. A catechism for the
> MOQ gives me a rather strange mental picture involving nuns, rulers, my
> RC wife and black patent leather shoes. Gawd. The last two months I have
> been more than glad to lurk!
>
> Thanks for the MD, guys!
I wouldn't take the word "catechism" too seriously. That was RMP's term,
and recycled by Keith, but it isn't really what Mary is hoping for. Or
where
the discussion is going. There's a formidable display of thinking and
writing
talent going on. I'll be hard pressed to contribute anything worthwhile by
comparison.
> A piddling contribution to the thread:
>
> > (THE QUOTE)
> > >> >While living,
> > >> >Be a dead man.
> > >> >Be completely dead,
> > >> >And then do as you please.
> > >> >And all will be well.
>
> To be truly alive one must die to the past in every moment. If one has
> his attention focused on what IS, he will discover the dance of the
> divine in every leaf.
This is beautiful! It gives me chills to read it. It's only slightly less
poetic than the original. Thanks for sharing.
> Acid and cheap sex was SO much easier than this constant THINKING :-)
I heard that!
Jeff Travis
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