You are soooooooooooooooowrong [hopefully somebody mentions it so you'll get
wind of it]
and don't forget to be gentle
Avid
icq 6598359
----- Original Message -----
From: David Buchanan <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. September 1999 08:03
Subject: RE: MD Organismic MOQ
>
>
> > John Beasley wrote:
> >
> > > What I do continue to challenge in this forum, with a notable lack
> > of response, is whether those who espouse mysticism are speaking from
> > the other side of this barrier, or are intellectualising about
> > mysticism. If they are talking about their ideas of
> > mystic unity, then to me that is just theology, and those ideas are
> > fair game; if, however, they are coming from experience, even though I
> > do not share it, I respect it, though I am frustrated by it
> >
> [David Buchanan]
>
> Personally, it is both. The "intellectual" understanding of
> mysticism is compelling, even without the actual experience. I'm
> extremely reluctant to make such claims out loud, but its easy to
> sympathize with your frustration and feel obliged since I've said so
> much about in the past. As you know, I think the MOQ is an intellectual
> description of mysticism. But you're not asking for that, you're asking
> about mystical experience. Yes, I've been there too. I'll confess that
> it was not by way of meditation or long years of monk-hood. I have eaten
> certain controlled substances in the past. Hopefully, it's something I
> can do once a year for the rest of my life. I think its WRONG not to do
> it. I've never had a visual hallucination, but I've "seen" things. Its
> very hard to talk about. Once I "saw" myself and the whole earth evolve
> simultaneously. Once the other saw light around me. (dharmakaya?) Once I
> saw the ghosts of ancient native Americans and shared a meal with them.
> But all they all had one thing in common. Each time I was profoundly
> amazed. The world becomes wonderful in the truest sense of the word. I'm
> getting all choked up just thinking about it. Its wrong not to do it. Go
> there.
>
>
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