At 10:10 PM -0500 12/2/99, RISKYBIZ9@aol.com wrote:
>ROGER RESPONDS TO DMB AND PLATT AND
>OTHERS AND PLEADS FOR THEM TO GO BEYOND
>STATIC PATTERNS
First, it seems to me that some people's lives are entirely TOO dynamic.
Some people need more stability and static strength to bind them to what is
good and lots less dynamic chaos and I know from personal experience of at
least one person who would identify with this statement!
Second, "..the static situation is an enemy of life itself." Isn't life
itself a manifestation of static quality on the biological level? I better
go find the quote in it's whole context.
>ROGER:
>I agree with the method (please reread the preceding phrase 5 times), but
>have long since found the static version of the MOQ to be useless at solving
>truly difficult moral issues. Would you like me to throw some moral dilemma
>curve balls at you? (they may be a bit harder than the germ doctor lob-ball).
Call me an optimist but I don't think it's possible to formulate a moral
dilemma that the MOQ can't solve. Now there's a challenge for ya. That's
hard and fast and over the plate, eh? Moral dilemmas come about because
of conflicts on different levels. MOQ resolves all moral dilemmas because
it keeps the levels discreet.
A sort of light broke when I was reading a book recently about logical
dilemma's and strange loops in mathmatics and language, _Godel, Escher and
Bach_ . The author showed how the Russel's Principia Mathmatica was
basically a system to eliminate paradox in language by creating hierarchies
which eliminated the paradox in such simple statements like "this statement
is a lie". By observing the 'meta'language forms of words, paradoxes are
eliminated. By observing the meta-function of quality on different levels
of existence, all moral dilemmas are solved.
I don't know if I have "proof" of this, but I have faith :)
Another reason all moral dilemmas are solvable, is that Quality does exist.
The very raison d'whatever of MOQ is to insert Values back into the
structure of Reality. The corrollary of this is that all moral dilemmas
are solvable.
With Quality as an absolute, all things can be measured against it. Is
this better? Or is this? There is a fundamental dimension of morality in
the universe. Analogous to time's directions of then and now - good or
bad. A metaphysics which brings this recognition of values into
consciousness is exactly what is necessary to solve any dilemma that asks
which direction in moral space any particular "event" is leaning toward.
Can I describe this "Quality" in more precise terms? Yes and no. No
because anything I say will by a static mental construct of my intellect,
but the "thing" I measure my thoughts with, the relative quality of truth
and error that gives basic directional morality to the underlying structure
of ALL reality, that *measures* me. I can't measure it. And yes because
that's mostly all we're all doing, all the time.
And while we're on the subject of what we're doing, let me express what a
pleasure it is to get to share with y'all these questions.
>I suggest that I will agree with much of your framing and the process you go
>through on each problem, I just doubt I think you can accurately use the MOQ
>to write some manual on every moral dilemma and the static frozen answers.
>Static answers are the antithesis of the MOQ.
Whoops! The MOQ _is_ a static solution itself. Every static problem has a
static solution. The solution is always within the definition of the
problem. Ain't no doubt about that is there?
>
>It is time to go beyond New York, David!
>
>Roger
I think David would say before you can go beyond New York, you have to get
to New York.
However jc would like to add...
The MOQ is a map like any other. I judge it the best map I've seen so far
because at least it aknowledges that it is only a map. The best we can
hope for is that it will get us to our destination. That's all any map can
do and all that can be expected of it. But since we know the destination
DQ is
off the map, we can't really put it IN the map. Right?
How would you draw the map to the destination we can't even dream?
One possibility would be to make it as ugly as possible so people won't
want to hang it on their walls and turn it into some kind of static truth
trap. But it wouldn't be a quality map then because if it was ugly, nobody
would pay any attention to it at all and it'd be tossed in the garbage.
How about making the map as accurate as possible? Making it conform to
every single detail of the cosmos in every particle, and write large all
over it NOT HERE. The advantage of such a map is that not only would it be
useful for pointing to DQ, but it'd also be useful as a guide in the
everyday world.
So see? some people are trying to Define all Reality perfectly and others
are scribbling all over every detail, NOT HERE. Perfect map making team
and a perfect map that guides people to that which is best. Another moral
dilemma solved by the MOQ.
jc
PS: Ya know I bet if we ever did get to that mysterious destination we'd
find lots of other journeyers there - and they'd all have different maps.
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