From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 - 18:09:06 BST
Hi Mark
I think that the MOQ is unbearable for the individual in a society
dedicated to SOM. So you have to compromise with SOM
whilst promoting MOQ. Pirsig broke the path in, the hardest job
of all, we can follow and help make the path easier to follow but
it will remain hard until we get the numbers of our side. But we
cannot resist the possibility of the freedom offered by MOQ once
we have seen it, I'd say.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: MD DQ & emergence
> Hi David, and all,
>
> On 4 Aug 2004 at 19:56, David Morey wrote:
> msh said:
> I agree completely. What would someone who has completely broken
> away from SOM be like, I wonder.
>
> DM: I suspect their expectations of freedom would
> make the SOM police lock them up. Look what happened
> in ZMM.
>
> msh says:
> Yes, this brings up an interesting question. Clearly, Phaedrus
> needed help in the end, when he was sitting in his own urine, letting
> cigarettes burn down into his fingers. At that point, he wasn't just
> a painted bird, colored insane by society for its own purposes; he
> was in a hopeless and highly self-destructive mode. Is Pirsig
> suggesting that complete freedom from SOM is destructive madness? If
> so, it's hard to understand why many of us here seem to desire such
> "freedom." I think he went insane not because he shifted from SOM
> to MOQ, but because he shifted from SOM to... nothing.
>
> But that brings us back to the question: What would a person who has
> made a complete, non-destructive shift from SOM to MOQ be like? Is
> this even possible? If so, would it be desirable for everyone, 100%
> of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> msh
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