Re: MD Fox News and Logical Analysis

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Mon Aug 23 2004 - 00:17:53 BST

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    Platt, two things ...

    (1) I don't hold that Pirsig spoke only truth.
    He's a human too.

    (2) I very carefully did not "abandon logic".
    It has its place. What I said was
    "stop applying only simple, (classical, scientific) logic
    to complex, multi-level, human-scale issues"

    Consistency and agreement with experience ?
    OK, but I'd use better tests than simple logic (in such cases).

    Exonomy of explanation ?
    I say beware cutting your own throat with Occam's Razor.
    Nice if things had simple answers,
    but that's what I call wishful thinking.

    You may not agree with me(yet),
    but confirm I'm being consistent, please.

    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
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    Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:03 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Fox News and Logical Analysis

    > Ian:
    > > Platt .. the problem you're having here is applying simplistic
    syllogisms
    > > (classical scientific logical argument) to a complex, multi-level, human
    > > issue. (This, thus that, so the other, ipso facto, QED, etc.) You're
    never
    > > gonna see Arlo's emergent view if you stick with this old SOMist stuff.
    >
    > Are you proposing we abandon logic? And what is an "emergent" view?
    >
    > Was Pirsig "sticking to old SOMist stuff" when he wrote the following?:
    >
    > "The tests of truth are logical consistency, agreement with experience,
    > and economy of explanation." (Lila, 8)
    >
    > Platt
    >
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