Re: MD Re: Non-empiricist definition of DQ

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Aug 23 2004 - 17:42:22 BST

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    I see, is not sense perception all
    a form of symbolic representation
    in that sense, animals need categories
    like food vs non-food in some way,
    although not reflectively?

    DM
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    From: "Chris Phoenix" <cphoenix@CRNano.org>
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    > Examples of what? Reacting to future value in systems without the
    > capacity to "realize that ..."? Just about any animal, maybe even
    bacteria.
    >
    > The fact that you ask makes me suspect that there's a jargon problem.
    > I'm not interested in sorting through definitions of realize,
    > intelligence, etc.
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > David Morey wrote:
    >
    > > examples please...
    > >
    > > DM
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    > > From: "Chris Phoenix" <cphoenix@CRNano.org>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:43 AM
    > > Subject: Re: MD Re: Non-empiricist definition of DQ
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >>David Morey wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Hi Chris
    > >>>
    > >>>I like to link these ideas to the meaning of intelligence.
    > >>>Is not intelligence the realisation that we are faced with
    > >>>possibilities that we have to choose between, intelligence
    > >>>can assess those possibilties an decide which option has
    > >>>most value.
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>"realisation that" sounds like symbolic reasoning. Which is a very
    > >>specialized subcase of intelligence. Whereas assessing options and
    > >>planning ahead (presumably on the basis of anticipated value) can happen
    > >>in things without the ability to realize anything, much less reason.
    > >>
    > >>Chris
    > >>
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