From: ml (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri Aug 27 2004 - 01:04:37 BST
>
> > > -- I think, therefore I pattern.
> > [...awareness is markedly experienced here, now, of thinking.]
>
> Unclear to me. Is "awareness" different than "experience?" Does awareness
> create patterns?
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> > > -- Beauty is closely related to Dynamic Quality.
> > [...or at least our perception of it.]
>
> Do you distinguish between "perception of " and "experience of?" If so,
> what's the difference?
Generally I take a "hard" consciousness look at the
terms perception, awareness, and experience. That
said, to me, awareness draws attention, which when
focused is perception, which when subjected to an act
of cognition (compared to prior memory or experience)
become the experiencing of something...beauty in this
case.
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>
> > > -- There is experience without subjects or objects.
> > [...experience is, subject and object are merely organizational
> > tools for abstracting experience and meaning.]
>
> Debatable. "Experience" suggests a subjective "experiencer."
To me it seems obvious that ego(I) as a 'point of view' or
a 'place in te universe, now' is very much extant by the very
fact of being nowhere else, now. While the continuity of a
remembered self is simply an assumption we carry as a
dynamic pattern produced as part of mind, much as a
tune can be whistled over and over. Damage to the brain
damages that pattern.
So, regardless of whether you define the experiencer as a
Subject in SOM or an
MoQ-ish definition or
something Buddhist-ish, I hop on one foot when the toe at
the end of the foot becomes aware of the bad post in the dark.
So, a consciousness experiences, regardless of the
methodology of organization...
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>
> Your body may deteriorate, but the beauty of the young stud is eternal.
That's what I keep telling myself,
but everyone else laughs...
thanks--mel
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