From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Mon Sep 06 2004 - 21:54:01 BST
Mark,
Would it be possible for the "stuff" contained in the social level to be
90% morally superior and 10% morally inferior?
Mark 6-9-04: Hi Marsha, The description we are using here is a patterned
static description, as all description are. The stuff you refer to are static
patterns of quality. The moral hierarchy of the MOQ is derived from the
evolutionary relationship of patterns - Intellectual patterns are more Dynamic and
more free than Social patterns. Even the most primative Intellectual patterns
are more moral than sophisticated social patterms. That is to say, the best
social patterns are morally inforior to the worst Intellectual patterns.
If Social patterns hijack intellectual patterns for their own good, this act
is immoral. If Intellectual patterns reject conventional social patterns in
order to evolve, this is act is moral.
DQ does not appear in this description, but evolution requires DQ otherwise
it would not happen at all. When i say the self is all levels, it is all
levels responding to DQ. Of all the possible responses to DQ their are 'better'
responses than others, and the best ones offer the best chance of survival into
higher patterns of evolution.
So, when you ask, "Would it be possible for the "stuff" contained in the
social level to be 90% morally superior and 10% morally inferior?" i would
answer yes. The evolution of value has left in its wake a whole graveyard of
static patterns.
And would it be possible
for the "stuff" contained in the intellectual level to be 90% morally
inferior and only 10% morally superior? If so, would the intellectual
level still be a higher level? If yes, why?
MarshaV
Mark 6-9-04: No Intellectual patterns are inferior to social patterns. The
Intellectual level is so much more open to Dynamic response than Social
patterns as to make social patterns appear to be evolving in slow motion. Consider
the rate at which society evolves over biological evolution? How many
civilizations have come and gone; how many languages and customs over the last 10,000
years, while biological Human patterns have remained rather static. If you
stood a Homeric next to a 21st century Human, given the same clothes you would
not be able to distinguish them.
How much more Dynamic are the ideas of our hypothetical friends? And how
much faster they respond to DQ.
All the best,
Mark
At 09:55 AM 9/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>MarshaV
>Hi Marsha,
>The Intellectual and social levels of evolution are discrete. They may
>support or attack eachother however, and this may be the source of what
>you feel to be 'facets'? Intellectual patterns are more Dynamic than
>Social patterns and this is one reason why they are morally superior -
>Intellectual patterns increase freedom - they are a better stage along the
>evolutionary route to DQ.
>
>All the best,
>Mark
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