Re: MD interaction between levels - ?

From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue Sep 07 2004 - 17:04:46 BST

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    On 05 09 2004 1:34 PM MarshaV writes:

    Hello Joe and everyone:
    Ourobouros? The ouroboros has several meanings interwoven into it.
    Foremost is the symbolism of the serpent biting, devouring, eating its own
    tail. This symbolizes the cyclic Nature of the Universe: creation out of
    destruction, Life out of Death. The ouroboros eats its own tail to sustain
    its life, in an eternal cycle of renewal.

    I see 'hierarchy' and 'interconnection' represented by the equilateral
    triangle and the circle.

    Hi MarshaV and all,

    IMO Ourobouros, Enneagram, are tied to revelation. IMO the experience of
    revelation is tied to my evolution. I have to have achieved something. I
    accept that evolution is experienced. I participate in evolution. I like
    good or evil! A moral order evolved. I am unaware of it. Awareness is not
    evolution. The mind is not the intellectual level.

    'Hierarchy' a triangle! Four is static and dynamic. IMO evolution of three
    from the one emphasizes a mystical, degenerate mystical experience. It is
    odd, not old, to view a hierarchy as static except in the social level.
    Bottom, middle and top. IMO Within each of the four levels there are
    triangles base to point and coherence.

    'Interconnection' the serpent biting, eating its own tail? Three serpents
    three tails in one serpent one tail. And I don't see that very often. A
    story portraying one event, and evolution from that event IMO emphasizes how
    odd evolution is in the course of things. What is intellectual in the
    inorganic order? Ask evolution!

    IMO I experience existence as order. SOM viewed existence as divided between
    real and intentional, matter and mind, objective and subjective.

    Mind is a throw-away term, does it refer to my awareness? Does it refer to
    my evolution? Does it refer to mystical experience. Mystical mind begins to
    be too complicated to be useful. Mystical organic (purpose), mystical social
    (existence) do not qualify as mind. IMO mystical intellectual (unfinished
    s/o) is ill-illustrated by 'mind'.

    If I save 'mind' for my awareness I embody preferences from three dynamic or
    degenerate-dynamic levels, I evolve, and do right or wrong? Perhaps! IMO
    heart and body are parallel to mind as actions have a proper level. I prefer
    'brain' to mind. Three brains!

    Joe

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "MarshaV" <marshalz@i-2000.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:09 PM
    Subject: Re: MD interaction between levels - ?

    >
    > Hello Joe and everyone,
    >
    > Ourobouros? The ouroboros has several meanings interwoven into it.
    > Foremost is the symbolism of the serpent biting, devouring, eating its own
    > tail. This symbolizes the cyclic Nature of the Universe: creation out of
    > destruction, Life out of Death. The ouroboros eats its own tail to sustain
    > its life, in an eternal cycle of renewal.
    >
    > I see 'hierarchy' and 'interconnection' represented by the equilateral
    > triangle and the circle.
    >
    > MarshaV
    >
    >
    > At 12:18 PM 9/5/2004 -0700, you wrote:
    > >Hi MarshaV and all,
    > >
    > >joe: good questions! I have no answers! I want to retell a story in moq
    > >terms told by Gurdjieff in All and Everything
    > >
    > >When the solar system was first forming a comet ran into the earth which
    > >did not have a completely formed atmosphere for a buffer and a couple of
    > >large chunks broke off. The largest was the moon. Gravity kept the pieces
    > >circling earth.
    > >
    > >Evolution started on earth when the moon's influence created patterns in
    > >the earth's oceans which were changed by the collision with the comet.
    The
    > >organic level formed. The need for food 'purpose' had manifested from the
    > >moon's influence, and somehow this created a greater bond beyond gravity
    > >between the earth and the moon. Then the social level, order (existence)
    > >evolved from the organic. The intellectual level (unfinished s/o) evolved
    > >from the social. A man on the moon, and the bond between the earth and
    the
    > >moon is even stronger.
    > >
    > >Somewhere in the story I hope there is an analogy to 'hierarchy' and
    > >'interconnection'.
    > >
    > >Joe
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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