RE: MD Where am I?

From: Nick Clair (nclair@webxsol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 03 2004 - 04:14:05 BST

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    "The MOQ says that I am a set of inorganic, biological, social, and
    intellectual SQ, capable of responding to DQ. "

    But what makes up this set? What specific SQ is there that makes up me?
    How does this set make up me? What makes this specific set of SQ so
    special? Why does it make up me and not other people?

    And who divides SQ up so that there is a me. I hope you don't say I do
    the dividing and separating, because that'd be really confusing.

    Best Wishes,
    Nick Clair
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
    [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scott Roberts
    Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:56 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: RE: MD Where am I?

    Nick,

    The MOQ says that I am a set of inorganic, biological, social, and
    intellectual SQ, capable of responding to DQ. I disagree with this
    definition, preferring to think of myself as a locus of DQ/SQ
    interaction.
    In my view, the MOQ definition is inadequate to the mystery of the self,
    in
    particular, it seems to me overly dualistic, that there is me here, and
    DQ
    coming from other than me. Also, I think it denies creativity, and the
    ability to make choices, on the part of the self.

    But since I consider the self to be an irreducible mystery, one should
    not
    think my definition solves any of your questions. "DQ/SQ interaction" is
    just another name for the mystery. My complaint with the MOQ definition
    is
    that in "solving" the mystery, it reintroduces dualism, if not theism.

    - Scott

    > [Original Message]
    > From: Nick Clair <nclair@webxsol.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Date: 10/1/2004 12:45:05 AM
    > Subject: RE: MD Where am I?
    >
    > If I chose not to think or say anything for a moment then does that
    mean
    > I chose not to be during that moment. Or does the practice or chose by
    > itself force me to exist.
    >
    > Where am I? Where or what am I? I am whatever I'm saying or thinking
    at
    > the moment. Or if I'm not saying or thinking anything than I am m
    chose
    > not to say or think. So maybe I am my choices?
    >
    > But if I'm my choices than who is making to choices? Am I making the
    > choices? If I'm making the choices and I am my choices than am I my
    > choices chosing themselves?
    >
    > And is it possible for me or something or anything to chose not to
    > chose? To make a choice not to make a choice about anything. If then,
    to
    > chose not to chose you wouldn't exist??
    >
    > Maybe I'm making this more confusing that it really is. Maybe not. I
    > know all I'm doing is frustrating myself.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    > Nick Clair
    > -----Original Message-----
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    > [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] On Behalf Of Charles Roghair
    > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:16 PM
    > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    > Subject: Re: MD Where am I?
    >
    > Nick:
    >
    > You are whatever you are saying or thinking at the moment, at the very

    > cusp of reality.
    >
    > That is pure DQ.
    >
    > I think that's why meditation is such a challenge and Satori is so
    > elusive.
    >
    > Then again, what do I know?
    >
    > Next to nothing.
    >
    > Peace, love and all that good shit,
    >
    > Chuck
    >
    > On Sep 30, 2004, at 6:54 PM, Nick Clair wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Hello. Here is a question I've been wrestling with for sometime:
    > > I type with MY hands on MY keyboard. MY shoes go on MY feet
    > > while I do My workout. It is MY mind, MY body, and MY soul. If these

    > > are
    > > all my possessions where am I?
    > > Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
    > >
    > > Sincerely,
    > > Nick Clair
    > >
    > >
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