Re: MD On Faith

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Date: Wed Oct 13 2004 - 21:00:56 BST

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    Quality...spelled incorrectly with,
    as Denis Leary says, a "big
    F#*king Q"

                      Qualty

    thanks--mel ;-)

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:36 PM
    Subject: Re: MD On Faith

    > What shall we have on our T-shirts?
    >
    > DM
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:59 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD On Faith
    >
    >
    > > Hi David,
    > >
    > > On 12 Oct 2004 at 18:03, David Morey wrote:
    > > Seems clear to me that if some aspects of experience
    > > are not suitable for scientific explanation this is very interesting
    > > it is also exactly what Pirsig says of DQ. Also without DQ we cannot
    > > explain how SQ has evolved.
    > >
    > >
    > > msh says:
    > > Yes, as my friend Platt likes to remind me, there's a lot more to
    > > life than what is dreamt of in science's valueless philosophy. Art
    > > is the most immediate example, especially, for me, music and
    > > literature. Beauty in general. Love. In fact, I think if life were
    > > nothing more than 70 plus years of running around with calculators
    > > and yardsticks, no one would stick around long enough to do any
    > > science anyway.
    > >
    > > That's why I love the MOQ. I think we need to get some T-Shirts
    > > printed up.
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Mark
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:34 AM
    > > Subject: RE: MD On Faith
    > >
    > >
    > > > On 11 Oct 2004 at 18:02, Platt Holden wrote:
    > > > As Scott as pointed out several times, orthodox theology has
    > > evolved
    > > > over the years in light of new knowledge. But, it's faith in a
    > > > spiritual presence hasn't changed from the beginning. Similarly,
    > > > science has evolved in the light of new knowledge. But it's faith
    > > in
    > > > naturalism hasn't changed from the beginning. It will not allow an
    > > > unmeasurable creative power, like DQ, into it's explanations.
    > > >
    > > > msh says:
    > > > Science can't make room for anything unmeasurable or otherwise
    > > > physically undetectable; if it did it wouldn't be science. It's
    > > > simply wrong to say that science denies God; Science has nothing to
    > > > say about God except, insofar as the concept has any meaning at
    > > all,
    > > > there is no scientific basis for believing in a supreme being of
    > > any
    > > > kind. This doesn't mean that one, or more, doesn't exist.
    > > >
    > > > As long as religion insists that God is unmeasurable, the two
    > > realms
    > > > of thought will be concerned with mutually exclusive domains. The
    > > > only time religion and science come into conflict is when religious
    > > > people seek for their beliefs the imprimatur of science (or math or
    > > > logic). The interesting social and psychological question, at that
    > > > point, is why they desire this stamp of approval.
    > > >
    > > > Best,
    > > > msh
    > >
    > >
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