Re: MD On Faith

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Oct 13 2004 - 22:12:43 BST

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    How about SOM in a circle with a slash through it?

    On 13 Oct 2004 at 12:56, Chuck Roghair wrote:

    <with a nod to Marsha>

    "I don't believe in Beatles,
    I just believe in me."

    -John Lennon

    Best,

    C.

    On Oct 13, 2004, at 11:36 AM, David Morey wrote:

    > What shall we have on our T-shirts?
    >
    > DM
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:59 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD On Faith
    >
    >
    >> Hi David,
    >>
    >> On 12 Oct 2004 at 18:03, David Morey wrote:
    >> Seems clear to me that if some aspects of experience
    >> are not suitable for scientific explanation this is very
    >> interesting it is also exactly what Pirsig says of DQ. Also
    without
    >> DQ we cannot explain how SQ has evolved.
    >>
    >>
    >> msh says:
    >> Yes, as my friend Platt likes to remind me, there's a lot more to
    >> life than what is dreamt of in science's valueless philosophy.
    >> Art is the most immediate example, especially, for me, music and
    >> literature. Beauty in general. Love. In fact, I think if life
    >> were nothing more than 70 plus years of running around with
    >> calculators and yardsticks, no one would stick around long enough
    >> to do any science anyway.
    >>
    >> That's why I love the MOQ. I think we need to get some T-Shirts
    >> printed up.
    >>
    >> Best,
    >> Mark
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    >> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:34 AM
    >> Subject: RE: MD On Faith
    >>
    >>
    >>> On 11 Oct 2004 at 18:02, Platt Holden wrote:
    >>> As Scott as pointed out several times, orthodox theology has
    >> evolved
    >>> over the years in light of new knowledge. But, it's faith in a
    >>> spiritual presence hasn't changed from the beginning. Similarly,
    >>> science has evolved in the light of new knowledge. But it's faith
    >> in
    >>> naturalism hasn't changed from the beginning. It will not allow
    an
    >>> unmeasurable creative power, like DQ, into it's explanations.
    >>>
    >>> msh says:
    >>> Science can't make room for anything unmeasurable or otherwise
    >>> physically undetectable; if it did it wouldn't be science. It's
    >>> simply wrong to say that science denies God; Science has nothing
    >>> to say about God except, insofar as the concept has any meaning
    at
    >> all,
    >>> there is no scientific basis for believing in a supreme being of
    >> any
    >>> kind. This doesn't mean that one, or more, doesn't exist.
    >>>
    >>> As long as religion insists that God is unmeasurable, the two
    >> realms
    >>> of thought will be concerned with mutually exclusive domains.
    The
    >>> only time religion and science come into conflict is when
    >>> religious people seek for their beliefs the imprimatur of science
    >>> (or math or logic). The interesting social and psychological
    >>> question, at that point, is why they desire this stamp of
    >>> approval.
    >>>
    >>> Best,
    >>> msh
    >>
    >>
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