Re: MD Making sense of it (levels)

From: Steve Peterson (speterson@fast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 22 2003 - 00:02:23 GMT

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    Platt,

    > Steve:
    >> It's nice to know that Pirsig considers all people to be social entities,
    >> but it would be much more helpful to understand how he distinguishes a
    >> biological entity from a social entity and a social entity from an
    >> intellectual entity in general.
    >
    > Seems reasonably obvious to me. Rocks are inorganic, plants and
    > animals are biological, humans are social and ideas are intellectual. Do
    > you see it differently?
    >
    Steve: I wish I could say that it were obvious for me, but I have
    difficulty. I can see how rocks, plants, animals, people, and ideas fall
    neatly into the categories but what about crime, democracy, terrorism,
    communism, capitalism, dancing monkeys and others that have been debated by
    this group that seem much less obvious to me.

    >>Steve: Also, what do you think of Wim's formulation?
    >
    > Platt: I must have missed it, but generally I agree with Wim's
    interpretations of the MoQ.

    Here it is again:

    >Wim said earlier:
    >"I know how to categorize patterns of values: by the way they are
    maintained/latched. (inorganic: unequal probability distributions in the quantum
    behavior of subatomic particles; biological: DNA stabilized by protein
    structures around it; social: unconscious copying of behavior; intellectual:
    conscious motivation/justification of actions in a way that is acceptable to
    others). I can categorize values indirectly by interpreting them as the value of
    maintaining a pattern of values of one of these types (i.e. as static quality)
    or as the value of changing a pattern of values away from disintegration (i.e.
    as Dynamic Quality)."

    The above is the formulation that DMB called, "so confusing, so wrong, and
    so bizarre that I'd hardly know where to begin to untangle it. "

    Steve

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