From: mel (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Sun Nov 28 2004 - 00:35:18 GMT
Hello Chin,
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Subject: Re: MD New Level of Thinking
Do you ever get the feeling you should have said something else? This is
what i think i should have said;
Change is imbedded in DQ. It is what DQ is all about, but it is not an
awareness of change that doesn't improve Quality, it is an awareness of
change that does improve Quality. DQ is confined to change, as it can be
nothing else, other than SQ, and the observance of change in SQ becomes
the DQ, either in agreement or opposition.
DQ is awareness in its observance. Where the observer stands depends on
where the observer stands, just as the Quality of a picture comes from
where the observer, photographer stands. Our awareness of change stands
on our DQ/SQ observance, or where we stand on our DQ/SQ observance.
Am i out of line?
mel:
From a certain point of view change appears to be
some wondrous thing that has been discovered and
it appeared so magical that a noun was invented to
invest with the notion.
However, given what we know now of the world,
and entropy, the more amazing notion is that
there could ever be something that remains the
same.
It might now be more useful to recognize that in
all of the extant world change 'is'. In any sufficiently
fine comparison of two things or of one memory of
a perception of a thing to another memory of the
perception of it, the difference we register is the
definition of the change we see.
**The earlier statement that we seem to remain the
same seems both wrong and to my view nonsense.
As a being that is a point of view of consciousness
'right now in the present' of the universe it seems I
am like a surfer in that the shifting awareness is always
of all experiential changes unfolding in relation to each
other and to my changing memory of them.
[ ** This statement:
What Pirsig's levels does not address is *awareness* of change. The
continuity I am speaking of is that sense of self which is aware of
change.
So for this to address this would imply that the inorganic is aware of
the
biological, the biological of the social, etc.Obviously, "some things
change, and some things stay the same", which can be restated as some
change happens within slower change. But where does awareness of change
come from? That is not at all obvious. ]
As to your assertion that
"DQ is awareness in [the] observance [of change.]"
It is intriguing, but after considering it I question whether
it limits DQ to existing in an empirical world rather than
in being itself and its relation to mom-being in the Buddhist
sense, which seems correct to me.
Does that question make sense?
thanks--mel
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