From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri Dec 03 2004 - 09:42:56 GMT
Hi Scott,
I don't know if you subscribe to the MF group, but a little while back we had an interesting
discussion on the relationship between Quality, DQ and SQ. I was arguing that Quality was prior to
the split between DQ and SQ; others, including DMB, argued that SQ derived from DQ. I don't think
that latter view is coherent, but I am not convinced that DMB is wrong in his interpretation of
Pirsig. Which seems to be what you're saying here as well:
> My impression is that Pirsig thinks of both "pure experience" and "the
> leading edge of experience" as DQ. If I'm wrong on this, let me know where
> he distinguishes them.
>
> My view, which differs from the MOQ, is that DQ is never independent of SQ.
> Rather, DQ and SQ always exist only insofar as they oppose each other as
> they constitute each other, that is, they follow the form of contrdictory
> identities. And so I reject the concept of "pure experience". All
> experience is always a DQ/SQ opposition, which is best exemplified by our
> experience of intellect.
Just to make sure I understand you correctly, the logic of contradictory identity is to say that one
thing cannot exist without its opposite, so, for example, you cannot understand 'light' without the
equal and opposite notion of 'darkness', is that right? (What is the name for the Taoist black and
white symbol, where the one merges into the other?) If you are saying that DQ and SQ are formed in
relationship in that way, and that the whole is 'Quality' then I would be in agreement with you.
Sam
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