Re: Re: MD Is Morality Relative?

From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Dec 03 2004 - 17:06:54 GMT

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    On 02 December 2004 9:33 AM Steve writes to Platt, all,

    [Steve] Is this really what is meant by Moral Relativity?

    What is Moral Absolutism?

    Are there other types of morality?

    Does absolutism suggest that an act is either right or wrong in and of
    itself
    or are the results or intent important?

    Does relativity suggest that there really is no right or wrong or merely
    that
    right and wrong are context dependent?

    Does such a distinction have any meaning in practice since the MOQ suggests
    that all people behave based on a combination of physical laws, biological
    desires and aversions, tradition/authority/status-seeking, and reason?

    I think we need to agree on what is meant by the terms of discussion before
    deciding whether the MOQ supports one or the other or neither.

    Can anyone suggests definitions for the two sides of the debate?

    Hi Steve, Platt, all,

    (IMO)

    "What is moral absolutism?" The MOQ holds that three levels in a moral
    hierarchy have evolved from the inorganic order.

    "Are there other types of morality?" You'll know it when you see it! is
    relative since we are all different individuals, and the evolved levels are
    from indefinable DQ. I suggest in describing "Quality" and "evolution" the
    only reason to describe them is "Is it a better explanation." 'Better' is a
    relative term.

    I suggest the inorganic order is composed of three forces in gravity. In
    extraordinary circumstances each force can manifest independently,
    evolution.

    A description: (IMO)

    1. Purpose (I want to eat) manifests from the inorganic order and creates
    the organic order. Purpose directs gravity and is a higher level. Organic
    from the inorganic!

    2. Existence (order) manifests from the inorganic order and creates the
    social order. Existence orders purpose and is a higher level. Social from
    the organic from the inorganic.

    3. Intellect (creation of awareness, unfinished s/o) manifests from the
    inorganic order and creates the intellectual order. Intellect creates
    awareness, new order in existence, and is a higher level. Intellectual from
    the social from the organic from the inorganic.

    Note: SOM observed a division in existence between real and intentional
    existence. Real existence was objective, intentional existence was
    subjective. In the MOQ existence creates order. Sex is a manifestation of
    purpose.

    All of the above is dogma hinting at mystical experience! DQ remains
    undefined.

    Joe

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Steve Peterson" <peterson.steve@verizon.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:41 AM
    Subject: Re: Re: MD Is Morality Relative?

    > Hi Platt, All
    >
    > Platt said:
    >> A relative morality believes that whatever is right is whatever works in
    >> society to assure inner harmony. Thus, one society should not judge the
    >> ethical practices of another.
    >>
    >
    > Is this really what is meant by Moral Relativity?
    >
    > What is Moral Absolutism?
    >
    > Are there other types of morality?
    >
    > Does absolutism suggest that an act is either right or wrong in and of
    > itself
    > or are the results or intent important?
    >
    > Does relativity suggest that there really is no right or wrong or merely
    > that
    > right and wrong are context dependent?
    >
    > Does such a distinction have any meaning in practice since the MOQ
    > suggests
    > that all people behave based on a combination of physical laws,
    > biological
    > desires and aversions, tradition/authority/status-seeking, and reason?
    >
    > I think we need to agree on what is meant by the terms of discussion
    > before
    > deciding whether the MOQ supports one or the other or neither.
    >
    > Can anyone suggests definitions for the two sides of the debate?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Steve
    >
    >
    >
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